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Old 2011-12-27, 16:03
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CROWD removed their Foreign IP block and announced a new game:
http://www.hs-crowd.co.jp/crowd/prod...angel/top.html
Apparently its a pre-cure style gender bender?
Release date is apparently in 2012 and they also have a preview disc coming out: http://www.hs-crowd.co.jp/crowd/prod...l/special.html

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Old 2011-12-29, 06:43
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JAST to split Saya no Uta and Hanachirasu into 2 different releases instead of a single set.
http://www.jastusa.com/nitroplus-upd...nd-hanachirasu

those who pre-ordered the set, their order will be changed to SnU only, they will need to place a new order for Hanachirasu.
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Old 2011-12-29, 16:09
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JAST to split Saya no Uta and Hanachirasu into 2 different releases instead of a single set.
http://www.jastusa.com/nitroplus-upd...nd-hanachirasu

those who pre-ordered the set, their order will be changed to SnU only, they will need to place a new order for Hanachirasu.
So the price has increased from $30 to $25 + $20 = $45 (for a 0.31 MB script and 0.39 MB script game respectively, both less than twice the size of Narcissu), and customers who were pre-ordering the original bundle are now automatically pre-ordering the suddenly much more expensive Saya no Uta instead of the entire bundle?

Sure sounds like legitimate business to me.
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Old 2011-12-29, 21:45
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Turns out MangaGamer's Deardrops trial is 0.45 MB worth of raw text (original Japanese, SJIS; same count as above numbers). MangaGamer's giving more away for free than what JAST charges $20+ for.
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Old 2011-12-30, 00:42
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Sure sounds like legitimate business to me.
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Old 2011-12-30, 16:28
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You get 5$ off if you pre-order both and free-shipping right? So 40$, 10$ more than the original.

As a collector I'd rather see each game get its own box. I find most bundled boxes pretty ugly. They ARE two seperate games, and maybe somebody doesn't care about one; but does care about the other.

In any case, if you're concerned about price; Rightstuf has sales, I bet Saya and Hanachirasu will be about 14.99 each if you wait for it.

Oh, and since we already got a fan release so it's more about supporting and collecting than getting something new... Still I hate to spend a dollar more than I have to ><
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Old 2011-12-30, 19:11
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45 dollars is still cheaper than either of the original games individually so I don't know why anyone is complaining. Better than buying some shitty western game for 60 bucks and getting 3 hours of gameplay out of it too.

Like seriously, is everyone who plays eroge in English poor as shit or 14 years old and living with their parents or what? And seriously, going on script sizes for value comparisons? If we want to get into the fucking quality of the games then I'd say Saya and Hanachirasu are better than the majority of MG's catalog, but honestly it's not even about the perceived quality of the game in the first place, it's about the value of the product in and of itself and the brand name associated with it! I personally think that eroge should be sold at Japanese prices or at the very least the same 60 dollar price point that new games are sold at so I guess you guys should be glad I have no control over JAST's pricing, huh. Like, constantly bitching about prices just shows that you guys have no respect for the people developing these games in the first place, since you're already getting them for less than half(!) of what they cost in their native market. As someone who buys new Japanese releases for full price I guess I just can't have any sympathy for people who care about a 15 dollar difference.

So yeah like, instead of buying the most recent western-developed third person shooter where the developers put more effort into polycounts and bloom lighting than the gameplay for a cool 60 bucks, you can grab two well above-average eroge that should 1) last you at least a couple of days 2) tell fascinating and involving stories for only 45. And like honestly if you don't have 45 dollars basically on-hand to drop at any time I'm afraid I'm just going to say you're either a poor piece of shit who has better things to be spending money on than computers and internet connections in the first place or a kid living with his parents who has no right to complain about anything related to actual business.

Anyway sorry for the rant but I just absolutely detest the hypocrisy (people are willing to spend 60 dollars for crap 洋ゲー but not 30-40 dollars for eroge) and entitlement (hurr durr I deserve this game for 20 bucks because... I'm a cheapass) that always, always accompanies this sort of thing.

EDIT: By the way I remember price points from the era of cartridges so don't try to counter my argument with "new console games are too expensive too!" because you should honestly be glad that everything has a set price of 40-60 dollars instead of varying based on the size of the fucking cartridge lol.

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Old 2011-12-30, 19:39
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MangaGamer's giving more away for free than what JAST charges $20+ for.
This only holds true if one believes the same volume of text in Deardrops and in Saya/Hanachirasu to hold equivalent worth.

In a situation I find to be analogous, "The Dark Knight" has a list price of $26.98 on DVD, while The Leprechaun Collection (which contains four movies; my favorite is "Leprechaun 4 in Space") has a list price of only $9.98. Clearly one of them is extortion, and the publisher is a fool to expect anybody to pay that price when several hours of additional entertainment is available for less money.
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Old 2011-12-30, 20:52
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Ever17 Director’s New Visual Novel Surfaces In March
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/12/30...aces-in-march/
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Old 2011-12-31, 04:31
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45 dollars is still cheaper than either of the original games individually so I don't know why anyone is complaining. Better than buying some shitty western game for 60 bucks and getting 3 hours of gameplay out of it too.
I know it's cheaper. I'm not complaining. I'm just making fun of a company that promised to sell two games at a certain price without really knowing if it could really do it or not.

I (painfully) know myself that the Japanese price of the average eroge is way more expensive than that. But I don't think their customers will be happy for this decision. Expecially if we consider that the translations for these two games were released years ago and most of those users interested in them have already played them.

But, well, 45$ for two eroge is chep indeed. And Nitro+ fans should buy them without complaining, just like I don't complain to spend more than 70€ (more than 90$) only for MahoyoXD
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Old 2011-12-31, 06:58
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old news, but I didn't notice it until now:
Hakuoki Limited Edition Contents (Finally) Announced!
http://www.aksysgames.com/2011/12/22...lly-announced/
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The game. (Naturally)
A Soundtrack CD with music from the game.
A 72-page artbook with beautiful, full-color art.
A warm feeling inside. (Not guaranteed)
P.S. JAST isn't, nor will be, the only company to change the release details before the release date. At the very least JAST announced the changes months before the planned release. Honestly, I don't know why JAST is giving US$ 5 OFF to everyone. Only those who did place their orders before the announcement should have received this offer.
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Old 2011-12-31, 12:01
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Better than buying some shitty western game for 60 bucks and getting 3 hours of gameplay out of it too.
Likewise, downloading free game Super Crate Box has a better fun:cost ratio than buying a golden ring for who knows how much money which only looks pretty. You can't just compare stuff like that; I think the $60 price point for generic FPS #53426 is totally not worth it as well.

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And seriously, going on script sizes for value comparisons? If we want to get into the fucking quality of the games then I'd say Saya and Hanachirasu are better than the majority of MG's catalog
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This only holds true if one believes the same volume of text in Deardrops and in Saya/Hanachirasu to hold equivalent worth.

In a situation I find to be analogous, "The Dark Knight" has a list price of $26.98 on DVD, while The Leprechaun Collection (which contains four movies; my favorite is "Leprechaun 4 in Space") has a list price of only $9.98. Clearly one of them is extortion, and the publisher is a fool to expect anybody to pay that price when several hours of additional entertainment is available for less money.
Leprechaun IMDB rating: 4.3
Leprechaun 2 IMDB rating: 3.8
Leprechaun 3 IMDB rating: 4.4
Leprechaun 4 IMDB rating: 3.0
Average Leprechaun IMDB rating: 3.875

The Dark Knight IMDB rating: 8.9

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Saya no Uta VNDB rating: 8.48
Hanachirasu VNDB rating: 7.18
Average SnU/Hanachirasu VNDB rating: 7.83

Deardrops VNDB rating: 7.69

The difference here is that the Leprechaun product is generally perceived to be completely terrible, while the ratings show that the average consumer finds Deardrops almost on par with the SnU/Hanachirasu combo.

Sure, you can't judge solely on script length, but a greater length with the same rating definitely hold greater value, as it entertains just as much but for longer than the other product.

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but honestly it's not even about the perceived quality of the game in the first place, it's about the value of the product in and of itself and the brand name associated with it!
Ah, so you mean that even if it sucks, we should buy it because it's inherently worth it because it's a game JAST/Nitro+ released? Sorry, I prefer to base my decisions of what to buy on the actual quality of the products.

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I personally think that eroge should be sold at Japanese prices or at the very least the same 60 dollar price point that new games are sold at so I guess you guys should be glad I have no control over JAST's pricing, huh. Like, constantly bitching about prices just shows that you guys have no respect for the people developing these games in the first place, since you're already getting them for less than half(!) of what they cost in their native market.
Please allow me to correct you: We're 'already' getting them for less than half of what they used to cost in their native market when they were just released in 2003 and 2005, respectively. And we're getting them 9 and 7 years after original release.

And I think more than us, JAST should be glad you don't decide their pricing. MangaGamer once priced their titles at 50 euros per product, and that was a disaster.

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So yeah like, instead of <snip for irrelevance>, you can grab two well above-average eroge that should 1) last you at least a couple of days 2) tell fascinating and involving stories for only 45.
That's the problem here, with their length they won't 'last you at least a couple of days'. VNDB estimates their lengths as a maximum of 10 hours each, probably shorter. You could easily read that in a single weekend. I can get more fascinating, more involving stories for less (for example MangaGamer's 'Higurashi When They Cry', which has a higher rating than either Saya or Hanachirasu and an estimated length of 30-50 hours, for $34.40).

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Anyway sorry for the rant but I just absolutely detest the hypocrisy (people are willing to spend 60 dollars for crap 洋ゲー but not 30-40 dollars for eroge) and entitlement (hurr durr I deserve this game for 20 bucks because... I'm a cheapass) that always, always accompanies this sort of thing.
'Entitlement' has become quite a buzzword in the VN localization market, hasn't it?
You're assuming here that the people who complain about eroge pricing are the same people who buy Call of Generic: Modern Battlefield 32 for $60. I can't speak for others, but at least I'm not one of those apparent hypocrites you're blaming.

I'm not "entitled" to getting the game for a decent price. Nobody is "entitled" to getting the game for a decent price. It's just that people will "feel screwed over" and "not buy" the products if you pull shit like that.
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Old 2011-12-31, 17:36
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Please allow me to correct you: We're 'already' getting them for less than half of what they used to cost in their native market when they were just released in 2003 and 2005, respectively. And we're getting them 9 and 7 years after original release.
For the most part, eroge do not depreciate in value. Granted, Saya no Uta had a best hits release that is currently available for 3000 JPY = ~40 USD, but Hanachirasu is still being sold at the original price of 4000-5500 JPY. Do not assume that eroge drop in price because honestly most of the time they don't.

Also <trolling>Deardrops sucks, Higurashi is shit with a garbage translation, and vndb's userbase doesn't know shit about shit otherwise they wouldn't rate Hanachirasu so low</trolling>

Seriously though if you take translation quality into account when judging the product's overall value I'm pretty sure we win hands-down
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Old 2012-01-01, 07:44
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Mangagamer posted an end of year wrap-up with some hints to the future.
http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2011...-year-wrap-up/

Quick summery:
  • The 4th hard copy has a lot of work being done to it. The company behind it has been busy but Mangagamer has had new testers go through it to compile a patch.
  • DearDrops is in beta testing which should finish around the end of Jan. Full release in Feb or March.
  • Dengeki is in script work at the moment (Script insertion I'd assume). They aim to have it on sale by anime expo.
  • Ef received a new build, provided it gets the approval of NNL it'll be considered the final build and they'll start promoting it + preparing for its release. Mangagamer apparently has something to discuss about this release.
  • Harukoi Otome is still in translation. Later half of 2012 release planned.
  • The 'Secret Nexton Title' (Magical Teacher Sensei wa Majo?) has finished testing and Mangagamer is waiting on Nexton. Release probably in Q2 2012.
  • H-Manga store will be opening this month (January) sometime.
  • H-Anime store will be opening in 2012 sometime. Currently they have their first title subbed and ready for release, they're just testing the video's for compatibility.
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MangaGamer once priced their titles at 50 euros per product, and that was a disaster.
The fact that this is true doesn't make it any less sad, though. Why is VNs' main demographic so annoyingly poor/cheap?
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