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Old 2008-06-10, 00:55
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Name dropping is useless for people who have no clue about them. It's inefficient comunication. I remember I did some of them I apologize. But I believe it's still effective if I was talking toward the right person. If I talk to you or Erhjegel I could name drop in eroges with good game-play, if I talk to Asceai I could name drop with AB2 soft staff, if I talk to agilis I could name drop with Age and Nekoneko, if I talk to chewy I could name drop with Kid/ever17 related things, if I talk to zalas maybe I could name drop with Key?
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Old 2008-06-10, 05:22
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Sorry, what do you mean, exactly?
I've screamed about G-Senjou no Maou at the top of my lungs for the whole internet to hear, and apart from on 4chan I don't think it's really had that much effect at all.
You've made me add to my list of games to purchase. (Recently picked up 11 eyes, so within the next couple of weeks I should be grabbing Chaos; Head, which leaves G-sen as next on the list--Go Used Games at Softmap!)

Also if you have anymore questions with your translation like the last, let me know. You HAVE gotten me interested at least. It's just going to be a while before I play it, as Seinarukana is hella frickin' long. (Currrently poured over 70hours into the game and only on Chapter 6...of 12, on the first play through of 6 or so routes)
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if I talk to zalas maybe I could name drop with Key?
I think you could get away name dropping anything with him. ^_^;;

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Old 2008-06-12, 11:22
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piracy isn't stealing, which really isn't
Yes it is?

So you're saying that just because you didn't shoplift the physical disc, means you aren't stealing it?

You're stealing information, somebody made that information and put a price tag on it. You got it without paying, you stole it. There is no loop-hole, or clever solution around it, the law says that you must pay for the product, and you didn't, so you have stolen the product.

There's no little principle behind it, and the whole "magical duplication" shouldn't even apply because how many people are going to recreate a game, just to go from pirate to copyright infringer? Are you?

Piracy is theft, you know you can't work around that fact. And nothing justifies it, not even poverty. Nothing is stopping you from making a better life for yourself, you do have the choice to move out of Slovakia and get better wage in a better country.

So you got dealt a worse hand than some of us? Like I said to another person before, I guess I don't know how 'bad' you have it. Because of that, you should have a good sense of responsibility and priority. You can prioritize how ever you'd like, and since I happen to be so lucky as to live in America I can't exactly say what you 'need' to be doing because I'll never have to do it myself.

But you know what? That's life, you can work with what you have, maybe Karma will be nice to you. You can resign yourself to theft and convince yourself it's ok, or find a loop-hole to try and justifiy it.

I assume you'll continue with the latter, since being poor makes criminal activity ok. (/sarcasm)
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Old 2008-06-13, 01:54
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You quite didn't get me.
Piracy isn't and will not be stealing. Nor by common sense nor by definition by law it will not ever be stealing. Piracy is copyright infringement. Doesn't matter if it is information. Once you stole it, the other party will not have possession of it. That is called stealing. You can steal information, like if you steal someone's disk with all his important data he doesn't have anywhere. That is theft, because he will lost it. If you copy something, that is not stealing, by common sense.
This is only thing I am trying to present here, please don't accuse me of saying other things.
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Old 2008-06-13, 03:46
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You quite didn't get me.
Piracy isn't and will not be stealing. Nor by common sense nor by definition by law it will not ever be stealing. Piracy is copyright infringement. Doesn't matter if it is information. Once you stole it, the other party will not have possession of it. That is called stealing. You can steal information, like if you steal someone's disk with all his important data he doesn't have anywhere. That is theft, because he will lost it. If you copy something, that is not stealing, by common sense.
This is only thing I am trying to present here, please don't accuse me of saying other things.
Actually, data theft includes the copying and transfer of relevant confidential data. So even if you do not delete the data you steal, by copying the data for your own retention, its considered data theft. Which of course is exactly what piracy is, minus the confidential aspect. That is the law, and I have a friend who has data theft on his record for doing said act.
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Old 2008-06-13, 03:56
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Actually, data theft includes the copying and transfer of relevant confidential data. So even if you do not delete the data you steal, by copying the data for your own retention, its considered data theft. Which of course is exactly what piracy is, minus the confidential aspect. That is the law, and I have a friend who has data theft on his record for doing said act.
Data theft is not theft. Theft is a very well defined term in criminal law, and does not relate to any of the following:

- Data theft (criminal law)
- Theft of services (criminal law)
- Copyright infringement (tort law)

Furthermore, "piracy" is not data theft or theft of services.
In case you are thinking that either Enerccio or myself are attempting to show the unauthorised copying and distribution of certain copyright materials in a better light by mincing words, that is most certainly not the case. The use of loaded and inappropriate terms (such as 'stealing', 'theft', 'piracy') is dangerous because it leads to widespread confusion, and confusion is never a good thing in a field where keeping a level head is essential to good decision making.
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Old 2008-06-13, 04:51
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In case you are thinking that either Enerccio or myself are attempting to show the unauthorised copying and distribution of certain copyright materials in a better light by mincing words
I think that is most likely what they think.
Piracy is breaking the law, but not criminal law, only copyright law. And those two things are highly unrelated. That's why you can get sued by copyright owner, but not by state procurator as you would be in case of thievery.
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Old 2008-06-13, 06:34
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any one living in Canada might be interested in the following story on the register Canada moots tough sanctions for DRM flouters

Copyright infringement is not stealing... that is very true if it wasn't then TOF, your avatar should be removed otherwise Valve will try to take this form down (read http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11...nce_b3ta_dmca/ yes he attacked a website because they used his picture!)

by the way, uploading copyrighted material can get you into trouble.... downloading it doesn't, as far as I know.

Kealdrea, your post is the best description of the community and all of the anime fans. Yes, every single one of us has infringed copyright in one form or another. And as far as the Japanese anime companies are concerned, fan subbing should be stopped. They are even asking the Japanese government to put a stop to it. And it does seem like the G8 will try to do something about it among other things (read the register story posted few pages back).

The question now is, will the Japanese companies be interested in the extra money they can make by subbing their own anime and making it available for download (for a fee) or at the very lest make sure their DVDs come with English sub? And before anyone start to use BOSTtv as an example of why they won't... BOSTtv have 2 "live" animes, and both animes are officially available on YouTube and they won't provide the fans with HD anime. Also it doesn't seem like Gonzo really care for non Japanese fans, both shows are not that great so why experiment using them?

For that matter, why can't the American companies make their digital edition available world wide when it is sold by a 3rd party? I understand that they can't sale it "themselves", but why go ahead and block 3rd parties from selling it?

Oh well, am off, good luck with the discussion.
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Old 2008-06-13, 08:53
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...other stuff...

I assume you'll continue with the latter, since being poor makes criminal activity ok. (/sarcasm)
(Aren't you underage and playing 18+ video games? o.o; That's illegal, too.)

You want him to leave his friends, his family, his country, and his life, all so he can play some visual novels? ._.; Jeez, I can see his ancestors researching their lineage now: "My great grandpa came to America so he could play porn games. :D" (Pardon the terminology.)

I can kind of understand having zero tolerance for stealing physical copies of a game, since that means that the retailer has one less game to sell, and both the retailer and maker of the game lose money. If possible, I always think it's better to buy the game instead of downloading it, but if someone's in a position where they would never be able to buy the game, then downloading it isn't really going to hurt the industry. Technically no one loses money or can't play the game, because it wasn't an actual copy of the game that was stolen.

@Zalas: It doesn't fit with everyone's 0 tolerance policy for pirating visual novels that it should be acceptable to pirate anime simply because uploading the script is inconvenient, so it's still hypocritical.

o.o; And I'm aware that the Limited Edition version isn't being produced anymore-- I foolishly waited for a while, thinking it wouldn't sell out as quickly as it did. That's the reason I'm looking through Yahoo! Auctions, and not Himeya or something.

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