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Old 2010-09-13, 16:05
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Since when do English-translated VNs have 'insane prices'? Apart from 'never'
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Kouryuu strikes me as a good fellow who is trying hard for our common hobby (not that I am 100% fine with MG's policies, believe me), and not supporting him this time could have critical consequences regarding MangaGamer's reputation and the feasibility of other mid-to-high profile localizations.
Honestly, I couldn't care less. MangaGamer's been a mess since the get go. They completely do not have a grasp on what it takes to reign in an audience. A handful of titles that are mainstream enough that many average fans can recognize them by name, backed by English releases of their respective anime series, and they still struggle to sell 2,000 copies? Might as well just close up show, relinquish the licenses, and wait until someone else who has better business sense to come along and give these games the potential they need.

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Aksys' 999, Jast's Demonbane and MG's Koihime should be supported by vn fans simply because they are all do-or-die titles for their respective publishers and, in a broader sense, for the whole business of officially translated visual novels.
Just to let you know, 999, isn't really a visual novel in the same sense as the other two. It's more of an adventure game, just like the Phoenix Wright series, Time Hollow, Hotel Dusk, etc... meaning, there's already a small market for them, and how well they do or not do has absolutely no impact on companies like JAST or MangaGamer, and will have absolutely no impact on console publishers like Aksys or NISA even entertaining the thought of localizing actual bishoujo games.

If 999 bombs, you don't get more adventure games from Aksys, that's about the extent of the consequences. There will always be other companies that will try to replicate Nintendo/Capcom's success with the genre in the English speaking world.

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We don't want an official market devoid of anything but low profile sex romps.
But you see, that's the irony of the situation! The floundering of MangaGamer and the moderate success of JAST shows clearly that yes, we do want more sex-romps, because they're actually selling!

People like you who want to support actual quality eroge are a fucking minority. You are sandwiched by the entitled-pirating-complex majority on one side, and the elitist-gamers-who-know-Japanese-and-don't-give-a-fuck-about-supporting-English-localization majority on the other front.

Sorry to say, I'm a part of the latter group. And most of the people on this board are too. Until either we or the self-entitled group make the shift to buying these games. your market is fucked.
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On a sidenote, I don't have a f*cking DS. So what can I do about 999?
Buy a physical copy of the game to support Aksys. Play it on emulator and enjoy it in the comfort of a larger screen. End problem.
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Old 2010-09-13, 19:09
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But you see, that's the irony of the situation! The floundering of MangaGamer and the moderate success of JAST shows clearly that yes, we do want more sex-romps, because they're actually selling!

People like you who want to support actual quality eroge are a fucking minority.
'sex-romp' and 'quality eroge' are not mutually exclusive. I've been saying for years that JAST should translate quality sexromps-- at the moment all they really bother with are good story-centric titles and crappy sexromps.
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'sex-romp' and 'quality eroge' are not mutually exclusive. I've been saying for years that JAST should translate quality sexromps-- at the moment all they really bother with are good story-centric titles and crappy sexromps.
Not that I don't know what you mean, but it makes people feel better when they can differentiate 'dirty' games from 'pure' stuff like Shuffle, Kanon, Da Capo, etc.

As for JAST localizing quality sex-romps, it doesn't matter. The market are people who buy them for one reason (hint: not the story) and the people who might buy it for the story are for the most part people like I mentioned above who will be utterly appalled at buying such vulgar seeming games.
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Not that I don't know what you mean, but it makes people feel better when they can differentiate 'dirty' games from 'pure' stuff like Shuffle, Kanon, Da Capo, etc.

As for JAST localizing quality sex-romps, it doesn't matter. The market are people who buy them for one reason (hint: not the story) and the people who might buy it for the story are for the most part people like I mentioned above who will be utterly appalled at buying such vulgar seeming games.
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JAST localises games from A and D. JAST should localise more from B (there's a lot more than those two, it's just all I could think of at the time), which can grab in the people who are after D and the people who are after A, as well as possibly making the people who were after D more interested in A.

EDIT: oh, and to head this off before people complain, examples in there are just examples, don't read too much into them because I didn't give them much thought
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Old 2010-09-13, 21:06
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how dare you call shuffle shit ;_;
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JAST localises games from A and D. JAST should localise more from B (there's a lot more than those two, it's just all I could think of at the time), which can grab in the people who are after D and the people who are after A, as well as possibly making the people who were after D more interested in A.
My point is those interested in D have no interest in something like A. That wasn't the reason for their purchase in the first place.

Getting to something like B, having played those games, there's actually a lot more story interspersed between the H, and not as much involved during it. For someone in D who just wants to pick up and get to the goods right away, it's more effort than it would be worth, and those may prove to be more of a poor seller than a straight up D game.
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Old 2010-09-14, 00:05
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People like you who want to support actual quality eroge are a fucking minority. You are sandwiched by the entitled-pirating-complex majority on one side, and the elitist-gamers-who-know-Japanese-and-don't-give-a-fuck-about-supporting-English-localization majority on the other front.
There is also the possibility that if MG becomes successful, they will need new translators, and that new translator could be one of us. Remember, Kouryuu used to be a fan translator too.

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And most of the people on this board are too.
Being more vocal on a board does not make you the majority. And also, just because a person knows Japanese, that doesn't necessarily make them elitist-haters by default. Be careful with generalizations.
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And also, just because a person knows Japanese, that doesn't necessarily make them elitist-haters by default. Be careful with generalizations.
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