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Old 2012-01-25, 22:34
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First of all, hi everyone - I've been reading this forum for a while now, but this is the first time I've joined in.

I'm currently translating the Littlewitch game Period, and something I read on another forum jogged my memory with something I'd thought of doing from the beginning. Typical of Littlewitch games, the ero scenes in Period are mostly at the ends of the routes and not really central to the storyline. I was wondering what people thought of releasing a separate "all-ages" patch with the ero scenes removed, in the hope that it would gather a bigger audience. (I would release the full patch too, of course.) I think I've heard of that option in other translations (F/sn?).

"All-ages" is in quotes because I would just be removing the ero scenes themselves - not casual nudity/fan service, language, or references to the characters having sex.
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Old 2012-01-25, 23:45
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I've found I can enjoy a good story a lot more if there's no pornography involved. I'm all for an non-ero version.
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Old 2012-01-28, 06:57
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I checked the VNDB entry for Period. It does not appear that the creators have made a worksafe version.

If your fan translation team wants to create an optional worksafe patch, go ahead. However, I recommend (also) creating a patch which includes the original adult content, so that your group will not be accused of censoring the game.

Thank you for your work and patience.
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I've found I can enjoy a good story a lot more if there's no pornography involved. I'm all for an non-ero version.
I am all for non-installer version.
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Old 2012-01-28, 09:54
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I checked the VNDB entry for Period. It does not appear that the creators have made a worksafe version.
That usually doesn't happen unless the game gets released on a console (which probably won't happen in this case, since Littlewitch is gone).

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If your fan translation team wants to create an optional worksafe patch, go ahead. However, I recommend (also) creating a patch which includes the original adult content, so that your group will not be accused of censoring the game.

Thank you for your work and patience.
As I said, I'll be releasing the full (ero) patch as well. The "all-ages" patch is for those who aren't comfortable playing ero games.

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I am all for non-installer version.
Not sure what that means... If you mean a pre-patched game, that's absolutely not going to happen. However, that reminds me that it might be nice to have a combined game installer/patch installer, in English, so people who don't know any Japanese don't have to muddle through the Japanese game installer.
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Old 2012-01-28, 16:13
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he was making fun of message
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Old 2012-01-29, 15:38
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To elaborate on this, Message is known for making fancy installers for fan translations (which allow you to install the game and automatically apply the patch, apply the patch on an existing installation, make the game run on your toaster, etc). Hence the 'no installer'.
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Old 2012-02-08, 13:03
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I have actually seen quite a bit of demand for the ability to play VNs without the ero scenes. It would probably be best to have a menu option within the game itself, but two separate patches would also work fine.

One issue with this is that references to those scenes would seem odd if they never happened. Also, if certain important details arise in the ero scenes, that needs to be factored in. So it's not always a simple case of cutting out these scenes. Slight adjustments need to be made to fit around that, too.

Still, it would be nice if ero-free patches could bring in people who would otherwise ignore these games.
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Old 2012-02-08, 21:04
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I have actually seen quite a bit of demand for the ability to play VNs without the ero scenes. It would probably be best to have a menu option within the game itself, but two separate patches would also work fine.
A menu option would be a little more difficult... For instance, in the all-ages patch I'm going to remove the ero pictures and scene replays from the gallery (that should be easy enough; FFD seems pretty editable); but if I allow the ability to switch between ero and non-ero, I'm not sure how that would affect saved games and the global saved state. It might be possible - it sounds like an interesting challenge in any case.

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One issue with this is that references to those scenes would seem odd if they never happened. Also, if certain important details arise in the ero scenes, that needs to be factored in. So it's not always a simple case of cutting out these scenes. Slight adjustments need to be made to fit around that, too.
First of all, I'm not removing references that the characters had sex - just the scenes themselves. I'm also not going to change one bit of existing text. The most I'll do is add an ellipsis and a gentle fade-out or something to indicate that something is going on behind the scenes. Most of the ero scenes should be pretty clean to remove, since they're relatively separate, with the exception of Yukina's, which I'll have to cut off in mid-scene as best I can. I think it'll work.

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Got it; I'll get the hang of it someday : )
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I was wondering what people thought of releasing a separate "all-ages" patch with the ero scenes removed, in the hope that it would gather a bigger audience.
It's a wasted effort because you aren't going to submit it to CERO/ESRB/PEGI/ACB/whatever-cancer-there-is (I hope). Also, no sane "17-" male will ever voluntarily skip sex scenes, especially if said scenes are still there just without visuals. Female VN readers can Ctrl-skip the scene if it's not wanted for some weird reason (also, it's not like their amount is significant even by VN standards to make "all-ages" patch worth the effort anyway).
If you're so concerned of this matter, you should be asking "how do I implement boss key functionality?" question instead.

I personally have a firm belief that anything the authors themselves have put into VN is sacred and must stay there in unaltered form even if it was clearly put there just for the sake of it being there.
The only exception is merging content from different versions of the same VN to make product as complete (and in the best quality) as possible (CD music + DC images + PS2 voices + uncensored PC images, for example).

I'm aware that it's likely too late to change anything in this project now, but hopefully this thread will prevent wasted efforts of other translators.
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Old 2012-04-10, 10:44
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