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Old 2007-12-02, 11:29
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i wanted to ask all of you, how the acceptance of anime/manga and VN in your country is.

i think that is interesting.

here in austria, (and germany) there is quite a anime/manga boom. VNs are not so "mainstream" but there are many ppl who read them. the anime/manga boards here in austria are "family style". the ppl are meeting each other and almoust everyone knows each other. what i saw so far, us boards are not so "family like" in most us boards ppl are talking about the newest naruto move etc. but here in austrian boards (and german boards in general) we talk about everyday life. sure, there are a few kiddies who talk about naruto, but most of us are talking about politics/everyday life/meetings etc.

are there some boards in us/australia that are that "intimate"?
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Old 2007-12-03, 07:39
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Well, in San Diego, we have Comic Con and that's pretty big on just about every nerdy thing ever. I really hope it doesn't transfer to Las Vegas...

I think more people here like it than hate it, because of the people who are indifferent. I have no idea of VN's though, I didn't know what they even were until I came here ^^;;

Anime is shown on T.V constantly (and yet I complain about not having enough) so I think it's widely accepted.
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Old 2007-12-03, 12:21
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If you're talking about finding intelligent conversation out there on the in these communities, often, it's a case of "well, good luck."

The signal-to-noise ratio of anime related things (of which VNs unfortunately tends to fall into a subset of) is pretty abysmal, since western culture tends to regulate these things to "kids."

If I want to have an informed conversation about the benefits of universal healthcare, the potential dangers of nanotech, software patents, foreign policy, anything even remotely interesting, one of three things will happen:

1) the most common, someone who doesn't know what the heck they're talking about spouts incomprehensible nonsense, thinking that big words strung together with some handwaving makes them look smart, and it just pisses people who have to read that slop off

2) sometimes, there's no response, or, following #1, there's no response worth replying to.

3) my god, you found 1 person to talk to, but you also found 5 people you don't want to talk to, and probably 1 person that deserves to be shot for being an idiot.

For small communities, the morons can be weeded out more or less, but as the community grows, that becomes less possible. You can see it happening here on the gemot, I'm not the only one who's noticed that the signal-to-noise ratio's taken a pretty big dive in the past few months.

In the end, as groups grow, you go from these "intimate" high signal groups, to what you'd find on say, megatokyo forums, or animesuki, or heaven forbid, 4chan... And alot of us would rather retreat into seclusion than stick our heads into those cesspools of noise.

Moral of the story, if you want to find intelligent life out there on the Internet, you'll have to find out where they're hiding, 'cause they're probably sick of the outside world at large.
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Old 2007-12-03, 17:34
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Well, in San Diego, we have Comic Con and that's pretty big on just about every nerdy thing ever. I really hope it doesn't transfer to Las Vegas...

I think more people here like it than hate it, because of the people who are indifferent. I have no idea of VN's though, I didn't know what they even were until I came here ^^;;

Anime is shown on T.V constantly (and yet I complain about not having enough) so I think it's widely accepted.
Completely agreed. Every high schooler in San Diego watches anime it seems though my school is a bit biased being "media arts" based. At my school one girl comes to class in a sailor uniform every once in a while (despite our "professional" dress code she's never gotten in trouble for it).

I only know one other person irl that plays vns though who didn't learn about them from me.
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As one of the few Asians in a mainly white community during my middle/high school years there was little acceptance of Anime until DBZ started to air on the local channels. The few that grew "out" of DBZ and in to fansubs tried to start up an anime club in high school which failed due to lack of interest. I heard a few years later a new Anime club was successful so I would have to say its a matter of time for people to become more used to Anime and maybe in the future visual novels.

I remember reading that the New York Times keeps track of best sellers for Manga under books and they do at time show up at the top 10.

Judging from the Circus panel of the last two years of Anime Expo the attendance at the panels have dynamically increased over the first time they were here and the second time. I wonder how it will be like next year.

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I wonder how it will be like next year.
Hopefully they'll come bearing translated Eternal Fantasy...
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To give ya a sense of what it's like out here in WV (look for the most irregular looking state on the right side of a map of the US), I'll just reference the statistics of my first VN panel at Tsubasacon...

6 people attended.. my friends whom came with me and a guy and his girlfriend near the end because he liked the Comic Party anime. And as for someone calling out to me when I was cosplaying as Yukito and asking "Hey! Are you Eat Man?!"... I wanted to go back to the hotel and cry. ;_;

Anime and Japanese culture is still pretty niche around here because of our location, landlocked w/ mountains. People mainly only see what they can on TV or can acquire at the nearest FYE. And as far as good internet access goes, not really. So even more niche subcultures like VN are even less sparse here. And there's also still that stigma of hentai attached since about the only ones that you can find are pure smut since no one is gonna take time to learn Japanese nevertheless import games to read more higher quality ones. -_-;

I strongly believe that the VN subculture is rising in the US because of what's coming out of Japan. More anime are being licensed that are VN-based which is causing a rise, hence the purpose of my panel ;) It's just gonna take time before it comes over my way. =P

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Old 2007-12-04, 07:34
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Yeah, it will have to sweep across the Plains before hitting West Virginia. But it seems inevitable. It's bound to happen.

Well...so long as people aren't too busy concerning themselves with the issues of today, or are like me and have the capacity to focus on multiple things.
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Cosplay acceptance 'round Singapore is high. Animé acceptance is climbing, though grudgingly. Animators are being trained, though the story to that one is rather depressing...

VNs are slowly gaining acceptance, but I'm just about sick of the community in Singapore. And by 'sick' I mean 'want to grab the nearest ballistic weapon, drive to the nearest con, and kill them all'.

I don't have any hope at al for the community here. It'll collapse like some epic collapsible thing, and in the end, no one would even care.
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Old 2007-12-06, 16:28
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I remember searching around for a better place to live, a long time ago. Then I found a place called yahoo renai group, or something similar.

THAT THING FLOODED MY EMAIL BOX!

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Old 2007-12-06, 16:51
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Science note: Supernovae have already collapsed. that's why they explode.

And RAML. the Ren'ai Mailing List,on yahoo groups, isn't as active as it used to be... most of the core members are quite busy with their lives nowdays, and only post on occasion... Which is sorta sad...
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Old 2007-12-07, 02:09
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I live in Shanghai. Some may think about the anti-Japan protests happening around here, but that's pretty minor.

The Anime and Manga culture have won over the younger (and not so young) population here, and the companies here realize and recognize that. As for Visual Novels, we usually call them "galgames", and yes, the vn network is pretty immense over at this end.
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Old 2007-12-07, 17:08
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I live in Vancouver BC, and there's quite a major anime/manga culture here (may be helped by the fact that some suburbs are as high as 60% asian). we have numerous retail anime/manga outlets as well as japanese bookstores and even one cosplay cafe, haha.

as far as visual novels go, I do have a few friends who play them, though most are put off by the fact that they can't read japanese (though I do know one guy who uses text hooker + babelfish). funnily enough, of the ones who can read japanese, none of them other than me are the type to sit through a visual novel (though they are still all major anime/manga fans). still, I can count amongst my immediate friends at least five who have played/are playing visual novels (whether in english, by text hooker, or by guessing) and it's nice being able to have friends to discuss VNs with on a regular basis. I've even sat through entire storylines with some of them on PS2 versions, translating as we go.
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(*Makes some noise*)

I'm living in small city (pop. aprox. 470 000). Unlike Moscow, St.Petersburg & other big cities, there's only a few anime\VN activity. To be exactly correct (I don't know how to put this, but)... there's no cosplay, no festivals, no serious VN community at all. :(

Why? Because the most of people think that "VN=Hentai=Porno", and "Anime"="Cartoon for Kids". That's the people of 40-50 years old.

Teenagers & young people (around 20-30 years old) are interested in "that stuff", but... the most of them buying really outdated Hentai VNs (yes, you can buy anything with any rating, no matter how old you are), because only those are present in Russian (99% of people here don't speak\read both English & Japanese at all). But, because of their parents-who-can't-understand, they're hiding their "little hobbies" and never expressing them in public.

Consoles are not welcome here as well (the only exception is a NES & Sega Genesis - people are buying them for kids, because, citate, "newer consoles are too expensive and have too high mature rate"... they probably didn't saw the MK... ;) ).

And manga... ask anyone at the street:

"- What's 'manga'?"
"- ... some kind of fruit, i guess ..."

Anime is sometimes on the TV, but it's all the Moscow-based channels (ORT & MuzTV).

P.S. I hope the situation will improve in a couple of years... :|

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