Mangagamer: Da Capo, Suika seemingly licensed

Originally Posted by GreatSaintLouis

I think I know what you're trolling at, so to lay to rest any misconceptions you might have somehow formulated, I do indeed intend to purchase at least one of their big-name titles (this being Da Capo or Suika), but I don't yet know which one would be most interesting. They're not out yet, or I'd have made my decision and purchase by now. Also, look up the definition of ironic. I think you were probably going for 'hypocritical', which would have been used correctly given the context, but still inapplicable for the situation.

Maybe you should get a job with MangaGamer and fix their spelling mistakes since your so fond of correcting others mistakes you Elitist! FYI not everyone’s parents can afford to send their children to Uni. So how about we stick to the topic at hand and not try to delve into peoples misfortunes shall we? And BTW I personally feel the word "hypocrite" is a distasteful and a discourteous word to use so maybe you should stick to wording your own posts.

But, of course, you have no problems with using other distasteful words such as elitist which doesn't really even apply here.

>>So how about we stick to the topic at hand and not try to delve into peoples misfortunes shall we?

Seems to me like you're the only one not sticking to the topic at hand. In fact, I see no mention whatsoever of Mangagamer or any related aspect there of in your post. You're plainly just trolling and making a poor attempt at it too.

Getting back on topic:

In regards to the quality of translation, given their planned schedule of release it comes as no surprise that quality would be as deep in the ground as it is. I for one don't buy this whole "beta test" excuse--and that's exactly what it is--but I'd still be willing to play the games. What I do have an issue with, like many others, is the DRM.

It's not that 5 uses aren't enough or anything like that, I just can't find myself comfortable with paying so much money for DRM'd software. Given the choice, I'd much rather import the Japanese original with physical packaging and download a English patch for it instead. (Maybe Circus et al. can arrange it so that people who purchase the Japanese original can access the English translation by Mangagamer. Meh. I highly doubt that will happen, but still.)

[GreatSaintLouis]

I wonder if one could simply extract the translated script from the English release and apply it to the Japanese original? It's probably not the way MangaGamer intended things to go, but as long as they're getting money for the purchase I wouldn't think they'd be too bothered by it. Of course, you'd then be in the financial position to have to afford both the Japanese and English releases, but considering the age of most of their games for sale I suppose you could get the Japanese original for a reasonable enough price.

If they implement something like Steam (which I'm not a big fan of), then they might be able to manage their release schedule by making periodic updates to the shoddy quality of their work. It would show that they are in fact committed to releasing as many as they can while making sure that quality is at an acceptable level, kind of like how some games with numerous bugs/glitches gets fixed with a patch later on.

Of course this is all a pipe dream, but I'm not buying their so called commitment unless they go through such lengths. (Though I'll still get Da Capo and probably Suika)

see, here's the problem with a Steam-like implementation:

The games are unlocked for a particular account after purchase and you can install it as many times as you want w/o restrictions. Problem is, for an eroge that does not need internet connection to play, someone can easily give his password to over9000 people and they can all install the game without actually paying.

It works for STEAM games because they need to be logged into the account in order to play, ensuring that you can't have 2 people playing on the same activated game at the same time.

[zalas]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It works for STEAM games because they need to be logged into the account in order to play, ensuring that you can't have 2 people playing on the same activated game at the same time.

Don't you have to be logged onto Steam even to play a non-online game, like Half Life 2? When I first tried it out, I think you had to be logged on, but you could forego the updates for an off-line game, unlike for Counterstrike. It's been a while since I've used Steam, though.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

But on the other hand; if your connection is really out, there's a choice to "play in offline mode"

[Nanatuha]

Originally Posted by GreatSaintLouis

I wonder if one could simply extract the translated script from the English release and apply it to the Japanese original? It's probably not the way MangaGamer intended things to go, but as long as they're getting money for the purchase I wouldn't think they'd be too bothered by it. Of course, you'd then be in the financial position to have to afford both the Japanese and English releases, but considering the age of most of their games for sale I suppose you could get the Japanese original for a reasonable enough price.

But the translator would be bothered since that roundabout way wouldn't benefit his wages.

It's different matter whether the translation is worthy to the price, but I think at least grieving for an inferior work is nonsense if you are not willing to pay for the work in the first place.

[GreatSaintLouis]

No, that's not what I was getting at--I was stating for the people concerned about the 5 activation limit or wanting a physical copy of the game that maybe they could purchase the MangaGamer version as well as the Japanese original, and then find some way to apply the MangaGamer script to the Japanese installation such that they could just hang onto this extracted script to be shoehorned into the Japanese original next time they needed to reinstall, rather than worry about draconian DRM limitations. Everybody's happy--the end user has his boxed product or freedom from DRM, and the translator still gets paid. I just meant that since some of the game are pretty old, even though they'd be buying two products, at least the Japanese one would be a bit cheaper, hopefully.

I'm certainly not advocating that people try and do this as a means to avoid buying the MangaGamer release; if you use any part of their product then you owe the translator the asking price for the piece, pure and simple.

[Nanatuha]

Originally Posted by GreatSaintLouis

Of course, you'd then be in the financial position to have to afford both the Japanese and English releases.

Sorry GreatSaintLouis. I missed the line. It's my misunderstanding.

[GreatSaintLouis]

No worries--my wording wasn't the most clear.

[mutio]

Ähm Louis ya know.. that would be so absolutely illegal lol. I mean someone extracts the translated text, people can just go on, download the original game via torrent, get the translated script (from torrent, File Sharing services etc.) and apply it.

That would not only bother Manga Gamer in the way, that they'd try to get those people, no, they'd especialy deal with those people who created the software to extract those files..

But all the law things aside (have enough of that due my studies anyways). I've a bit of impression, that MangaGamer thought, that people won't notice (or at least not much) translation errors and tried to get the games out as cheap as possible. At least they're fixing the translations now~

[Enerccio]

Originally Posted by GreatSaintLouis

No, that's not what I was getting at--I was stating for the people concerned about the 5 activation limit or wanting a physical copy of the game that maybe they could purchase the MangaGamer version as well as the Japanese original, and then find some way to apply the MangaGamer script to the Japanese installation such that they could just hang onto this extracted script to be shoehorned into the Japanese original next time they needed to reinstall, rather than worry about draconian DRM limitations. Everybody's happy--the end user has his boxed product or freedom from DRM, and the translator still gets paid. I just meant that since some of the game are pretty old, even though they'd be buying two products, at least the Japanese one would be a bit cheaper, hopefully.

I'm certainly not advocating that people try and do this as a means to avoid buying the MangaGamer release; if you use any part of their product then you owe the translator the asking price for the piece, pure and simple.

an even easier method is to apply crack (if there will be any) and I believe that is legal (so you can ran it off the backup media, just like now, in case you get without internet connection and want to play the game)

Originally Posted by Enerccio

an even easier method is to apply crack (if there will be any) and I believe that is legal (so you can ran it off the backup media, just like now, in case you get without internet connection and want to play the game)

It's NOT legal. That is a vialation of protected material. The translation is also the property of MangaGamer. Check the EU law.

Originally Posted by Enerccio

an even easier method is to apply crack (if there will be any) and I believe that is legal (so you can ran it off the backup media, just like now, in case you get without internet connection and want to play the game)

Using crack is unlawful modification of copyrighted property without express (written or otherwise) consent from the authors/owners.