Any non hentai visual novels around?

[Billhead]

True, but for me that took a back seat to the drama of the whole story.

[TDOMMX]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't see how that matters though. The fact remains that they play up the incest theme until the very last portion of the story. As an audience, we all know the kind of story the writers are trying to tell, regardless of such technicalities.

It isn't too different from a product featuring graphic sex with prepubuscent girls. The writers could throw in some shocking revelation (i.e. she's honestly 18.....it's just some kind of physical and psychological maturation problem) before intercourse is displayed on screen. However, that doesn't negate the themes that're obviously being explored or exploited.

While I agree with the argument you're trying to make (I can't understand the mindset of lolicon at all, and just saying the characters are over 18 when they definitely don't look it is a rather lame mask), I can't agree with the comparison to Kana. Maybe I'm a lot more open about the whole "forbidden love" angle than you are (sorry if that sounds derogatory). I don't like last-minute ass-covering either, but I can't agree that the revelation in Kana is intended as a last-minute cop-out.

Anyway, since you made it pretty clear that you don't like incest, I should probably warn you to steer clear of Angel Sanctuary and Boku wa Imouto ni Koi wo Suru (Secret Sweethearts). Both titles involve a main character who is in love with his twin sister, and trying to come to terms with his forbidden attraction (which is far more than mere infatuation or lust). I thought both of them were well-done, but I'm not about to force my opinion onto you. You might also want to avoid Onegai Teacher, in which the main character is a 18-year-old who happens to look a lot younger (with good reason). You'd probably brand it as a loli-shota title since he does end up having sex during the final episode.

As Billhead said, if a title (regardless of medium) has a powerful narrative, I'm not going to condemn a story for giving a "green light" if this point is revealed gradually and actually has some significance to the story, as is the case in Kana (unlike other titles where the main character just happens to live with his stepsister / distant cousin / "perfectly-bangable" relation, which I think of as rather pretentious). I don't mind exploring a controversial topic, but I definitely oppose titles that exploit one simply to gain sales.

[F.I.A]

Hmm, perhaps I was wrong in judging the game by the cover, even if I got reliable informations from a peer.

Incest is really not my cup of tea, since if I am to imagine myself as the main character, I will find it rather hard to have a deeper relation with another(Be it blood related or "-in-law" or "step-") in the family other than sibling relation.

Of course, this opinion is rather enforced after finished watching Canvas 2 just days ago.

[TDOMMX]

Originally Posted by F.I.A

Hmm, perhaps I was wrong in judging the game by the cover, even if I got reliable informations from a peer.

Incest is really not my cup of tea, since if I am to imagine myself as the main character, I will find it rather hard to have a deeper relation with another(Be it blood related or "-in-law" or "step-") in the family other than sibling relation.

Of course, this opinion is rather enforced after finished watching Canvas 2 just days ago.

I agree with you on that. I'm not sure about the other people here, but I for one thought the ending to the Canvas 2 anime sucked. V qba'g xabj nobhg lbh, ohg V'q unir pubfra Xvev bire Ryyvf nal qnl bs gur jrrx.

Back on the topic of Kana and the two anime/manga titles I mentioned, gur znva punenpgre va rnpu punenpgre erpbtavmrf gung uvf srryvatf ner fbpvnyyl hanpprcgnoyr, naq n tbbq cbegvba bs gur fgbel vaibyirf uvf qrpvqvat jurgure gb pbasbez gb fbpvrgny fgnaqneqf be gb qvfertneq gurz naq ivbyngr na ntr-byq gnobb. Vg'f abg n znggre bs pbccvat bhg ng gur ynfg zvahgr whfg gb trg fbzrbar gb guvax, "Url, guvf (IA/navzr/znatn) unf vaprfg va vg! LNL!!" naq cybc qbja gurve pnfu. Yvxr V fnvq orsber, V rawbl rkcybevat pbagebirefvny gbcvpf, ohg V qba'g yvxr gurz orvat rkcybvgrq.

[Billhead]

I should point out that, at least for me, altough Kana is great, it doesn't have that much of a replay value.
I got the forth and fifth endings(the last question effected it, so I didn't need to play through again), but when I tried getting the other endings, I got tired of it pretty quick and just found a completed save file for it.

[F.I.A]

Originally Posted by TDOMMX

I agree with you on that. I'm not sure about the other people here, but I for one thought the ending to the Canvas 2 anime sucked. V qba'g xabj nobhg lbh, ohg V'q unir pubfra Xvev bire Ryyvf nal qnl bs gur jrrx.

Thrff jr ner ba dhvgr gur fnzr jniryratgu, fvapr V ibgrq sbe Xvev gb or n orggre zngpu. Ohg jr raq hc trggvat n yvggyr pbhfva pnhfvat zhpu qvfgehcgvba nyy bire gur frevrf.(Naq gura gung xvpxre bs gur ynfg fprar. Jryy, gung cerggl zhpu gnxrf bhg nyy vagrerfg V unir sbe gur fubj.)

Back on the topic of Kana and the two anime/manga titles I mentioned, gur znva punenpgre va rnpu punenpgre erpbtavmrf gung uvf srryvatf ner fbpvnyyl hanpprcgnoyr, naq n tbbq cbegvba bs gur fgbel vaibyirf uvf qrpvqvat jurgure gb pbasbez gb fbpvrgny fgnaqneqf be gb qvfertneq gurz naq ivbyngr na ntr-byq gnobb. Vg'f abg n znggre bs pbccvat bhg ng gur ynfg zvahgr whfg gb trg fbzrbar gb guvax, "Url, guvf (IA/navzr/znatn) unf vaprfg va vg! LNL!!" naq cybc qbja gurve pnfu. Yvxr V fnvq orsber, V rawbl rkcybevat pbagebirefvny gbcvpf, ohg V qba'g yvxr gurz orvat rkcybvgrq.

V unir ernq bs fgbevrf nobhg fvoyvatf va sbeovqqra ybir naq fhpu, naq ubj gurl ner fuhaarq ol gurve bja snzvyl naq crref, naq ubj gurl gura pbzzvgrq fhvpvqr gbtrgure gb cerirag frcnengvba. Juvyr vg vf n tbbq rknzcyr gb fubj gung "Ybir pbadhref nyy", V nz guvaxvat nobhg "Ybir vf oyvaq" ba fhpu pnfr vafgrnq.

Jryy, rnpu sbe gurve bja vagrerfg V thrff.