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2008-03-12 11:18

I'd say Planetarian, but it's really easy to win a race of one, if you know what I mean...

2008-03-12 09:53

Let me guess:

Spoiler

Am I right?

2008-03-12 09:17

hypertoast

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Originally Posted by luckyovermind

1 sentence? which one is it?

2008-01-26 23:05

rg4619

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I have seen many K-dramas including the one which COPIED the storyline of KANA

Well, the plot concepts in Kana aren't uncommon, so it could be coincidence. Given how niche the genre is, the chances of plagiarism (from Korean TV writers at that) seem slim.

Which drama are you referring to anyway? I know that a <a href="http://www.kbs-america.com/minihome/index.php?dvd_code=47">certain hit</a> is sometimes accused of being a Kana ripoff. Similarly, Japanese otaku accuse its follow-up of copying Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien.

2008-01-26 22:25

Asceai

Honestly, I have no idea what my favourite eroges are. It changes every now and then as I replay things. Just to be safe I'll name 'Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo' and 'Haru no Ashioto'. Games like 'Koibito Doushide Surukoto Zenbu' that I like _now_ will probably slip out of favour later, but akabeesoft games never get old.

I still really like 'Tamayura' but can't really list it because, from a critical eye, it doesn't really work out anywhere near the same level.

2008-01-26 21:41

luckyovermind

As for Kana, I guess it's a hit or miss thing. For me, the essence of kana little sister is in that ONE SINGLE SENTENCE. Yes, I found the whole story boring from the begining to, well, nearly the end. And that single sentence made the whole story of kana flashing before my eyes in a mili-second as I burst into tears. (And YES, I have seen many J-dramas before such as one litre of tears, and YES, I have seen many K-dramas including the one which COPIED the storyline of KANA)

But kana is never one my favourite eroge. Why? Because the bulk of the story is boring for me. Maybe because it's too old.

2008-01-25 22:01

The T

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Then again, Kana is also TakaJun's favourite VN (of which he's played, what, over a hundred?), and he probably played the original Japanese version of it too, so my theory doesn't really work.

Well, the sick, dying loved one story archetype isn't one that's particularly common to visual novels - it's mainly in (Asian) television that it's cliche. I can see someone who has never experienced a storyline of Kana's nature praising Kana to the sky, because the subject matter is, in itself, touching. My problem with Kana was basically that I'd watched about a million J-Dramas and K-Dramas that handled the plotline with much more finesse, and had moreover watched a very dear friend struggling with her brother's lifelong fight with a terminal heart disease. Kana, when I played it, seemed clunky, unimaginative, and really quite contrived by comparison. I kept expecting a mind-blowing emotional scene or plot development, given the overwhelmingly positive things I'd heard about the game, but they never came.

As for Crescendo, I actually enjoyed it, but I think it highlights the dearth of decent English VNs that it's so commonly recommended to fans of Kana. There's _nothing_ that the two games have in common besides the fact that they focus more on the story than on the sex.

2008-01-25 21:13

Asceai

Maybe it's because it's among the limited number of commercially-translated visual novels with a decent focus on story. Another game that a lot of people seem to like is Crescendo. And I can't for the life of me see WHY.

Then again, Kana is also TakaJun's favourite VN (of which he's played, what, over a hundred?), and he probably played the original Japanese version of it too, so my theory doesn't really work.

Maybe I just missed something.

2008-01-25 19:30

rg4619

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I'll accept that the game is much better written and has a lot more substance to it than the bulk of English-translated bishoujo games, but a masterpiece of literature it isn't by any stretch of the imagination.

Yeah, Kana is mediocre by the standards of other media forms. IMO, it's also unimpressive by visual novel standards, although I'm clearly in the minority.

Then again, the same goes for many popular game stories (both mainstream and ero). These businesses just haven't matured to the point where established authors want in, so it's pointless to expect marvelous work.

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I actually never understood why Kana was spoken so highly of.

Dunno, but heavy-handed storytelling seems to please many readers even if the prose is messy or if there's little substance.

2008-01-25 18:51

The T

I actually never understood why Kana was spoken so highly of. I bought the game a few years ago after my friend had been raving about it, but the story never really drew me in, and I frequently interrupted play to browse the internet and switch to other graphic novels.

I can understand someone who's never really come across a story of that nature before being moved to tears by it, but really, the loved-one-dying-of-a-terrible-disease plot is the most overused storyline in Asian soap operas today, and in most cases it's handled better than in Kana because TV producers don't feel the need to insert pseudo-incest into the equation (seriously, did ANYONE find the H scenes in Kana arousing?).

Add to that, I didn't really feel like Kana captured the sense of total desperation and the struggle between hope and despair that comes with actually having a loved one who's suffering from a terminal disease. For mine, the plot focused too much on the protagonist's growing feelings for Kana, and it never felt right, even when the plot twist was revealed.

I'll accept that the game is much better written and has a lot more substance to it than the bulk of English-translated bishoujo games, but a masterpiece of literature it isn't by any stretch of the imagination.

2008-01-24 14:14

Agilis

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Originally Posted by Serke

I'd also suggest reading Narcissu (kudos to Haeleth for his unparalleled translation of this little gem), Planetarian and maybe Tsukihime (with non-ero patch).

Mmm. I might recommend holding out on Narcissu until Narcissu Side 2nd is done with it. Some pretty big time overhauling of the original Narcissu translations had been done since then for Haeleth and my scripts, gp32's version is untouched, so it's here and there more accurate, and generally higher quality across the board.

How long is left to wait, I can't say exactly, hopefully in a few months unless one of us gets hit by a 70 hour work week again, which has happened a few times already...

2008-01-24 11:59

The One Freeman

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Originally Posted by Wererat42

Was watching some civil war drama in U.S. History (maybe it was Glory) and I had tears welling up after the end. I got some pretty awkward looks.

Back in 8th grade, our history class watched Gettysberg and I teared up too. (more from the patriotic aspect)

2008-01-24 11:54

Counter Arts

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Originally Posted by Najica

i dont have a darn clue, i was checking trough the avatars :P

Agilis: what to do if i dunno japanese? D:>

There is an anime out for that game though.

2008-01-24 11:20

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Originally Posted by Najica

what to do if i dunno japanese? D:>

Then you really should read

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Originally Posted by Savta-tan

Phantom of Inferno. Sad. Happy. Fast and Furious.

I'm not sure about the 'happy' part of this description though...

I'd also suggest reading Narcissu (kudos to Haeleth for his unparalleled translation of this little gem), Planetarian and maybe Tsukihime (with non-ero patch).

P.S. Welcome aboard. ;)

2008-01-24 10:28

Najica

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Originally Posted by Asceai

EDIT: Also, Najica, isn't your avatar a character from 月は東に日は西に? Isn't that an eroge? =p

i dont have a darn clue, i was checking trough the avatars :P

Agilis: what to do if i dunno japanese? D:>

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