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Old 2005-10-02, 08:30
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I think this has been mentioned here before (or was it the MT forums?), but Wikipedia really needs someone to go around fixing up the various renai game articles.

The "characteristics" part of Ren'ai game looks fishy, and Bishōjo game barely waits before slapping the reader with "OMG PORN".

As for individual games, Kanon and Air could probably do with some polishing, and Clannad has barely anything at all. I've been hanging around Da Capo, Muv-Luv, Wind, and To Heart 2, myself.
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Old 2005-10-02, 08:42
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Well ... it's better to tell them the truth on before hand ey? I'm not sure what you think of it, but many of them do contain pornographic material. Some verisions as Key are doing non-H. They're not saying all of em has it but most of them, wich actully is true. Most people have no what so ever intrest in dating sims. If people had intrest in them they wouldn't mind by just something as small as this. It's better because well it mainly tell directly to some people who migth been wasting there time in something they don't really have intrest for. Insani is pretty straigth forward with it. The MT forums still denie it thou, that's what I think.
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Old 2005-10-02, 08:47
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Donut, read the articles before you comment on them.

The articles are a mess. I helped by rewriting "visual novel" so that it was the most public-friendly of the lot, starting a centralized "anime game" discussion page, and making a navbox so you could skip from mess to mess without hassle, but "H-game" and "Bishoujo game" are built up with three years of successive layers of crud and I won't touch them. "Bishoujo game" has been a featured article in the past (damn you, G-Collections) so it will be hard to fix.

I would love to see Kanon or AIR on the featured articles page if you can pull it off.
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Old 2005-10-02, 09:03
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Insani is pretty straigth forward with it. The MT forums still denie it thou, that's what I think.
That's a slight misrepresentation of the situation, which is that certain regulars on the MT forums get unnecessarily worked up about people using the term "hentai". (The MT position is that the English usage of the word should be avoided because it has totally different connotations in Japanese; the insani position is, I think, that the English usage is established now and arguing with it just makes you look silly and elitist). It's solely that one word that's controversial; I don't recall anyone at MT denying that many PC bishoujo games are adult.

The problem is that giving the adult titles such prominence just reinforces the typical Western assumption that all bishoujo games are pornographic, when this is untrue for 99% of console games and a significant proportion, maybe even 20-30%, of the best-known PC games.

So if you create the impression that "bishoujo" implies "pornographic", in any way at all, you make it impossible to describe many famous series like Touhou, Galaxy Angel, Sakura Taisen, Tokimemo, Sentimental Graffiti, etc.
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Old 2005-10-02, 09:07
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I was sort of hoping that everyone could chip in. Most of the articles seem to have been written by people who know nothing about renai games at all- I mean, just look at what Wind and Da Capo looked like before I got to them. The fact that there were idiots camping around the articles claiming that my correcting things was "vandalism" didn't help, of course.

The bishoujo game article really does look like a lot of work, though.

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Most people have no what so ever intrest in dating sims. If people had intrest in them they wouldn't mind by just something as small as this. It's better because well it mainly tell directly to some people who migth been wasting there time in something they don't really have intrest for. Insani is pretty straigth forward with it. The MT forums still denie it thou, that's what I think.
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
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Old 2005-10-02, 09:24
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Why was ren'ai game moved to renai game if all the articles retained the ren'ai spelling? (I suspect this is due to Wikipedia's bastard Romanization from hell.) And why are articles for specific eroge-ren'ai-visual novels defined as whatever the most recent editor wants to call it? There ought to be a standard, such as simply "anime game".
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Old 2005-10-02, 09:33
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"Anime game"? That's the first time I've heard of the term, unless you count that one time I saw someone on GameFAQs talking about "animanga games".

Ja.Wikipedia.org seems to be using "renai adventure game" for all visual-bishoujo-novel-renai-adventure-simulation-dating-whatever-games, and I've personally pretty much tried to stick to that by using "renai ADV".
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It's not a regular term, but it's the only phrase that immediately came to mind. There are many different articles describing different broad categories, and the only thing linking them together, mainly, is their use of anime artwork. I bet if Japanese Wikipedia had a real userbase, there'd be an edit war between renai ADV/bishoujo/visual novels.
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Shii: I did read them, but mostly I was commenting how I tougth of some Renai games. I don't mean to call them bad, but some just have it in. Well you can't always put your trust on faq's on the net :D

Haeleth: indeed neither do I remember about MT people deniying it. But I remember I read somewhere in Insani's homepage a long time ago that they said something like that Renai game was pron not anything else as MT said. Or something like that, maybe I got it wrong from what they ment then.
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I remember I read somewhere in Insani's homepage a long time ago that they said something like that Renai game was pron not anything else as MT said.
This is what you're thinking of. It is indeed easy to read it as saying that the MT posters deny that they're adult games, but what it's actually referring to is the MT posters roasting people alive for using the term "hentai". ;)
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I remember I read somewhere in Insani's homepage a long time ago that they said something like that Renai game was pron not anything else as MT said.
This is what you're thinking of. It is indeed easy to read it as saying that the MT posters deny that they're adult games, but what it's actually referring to is the MT posters roasting people alive for using the term "hentai". ;)
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Old 2005-10-02, 18:04
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I personally believe that "hentai games" should be things with titles like "君と超兄貴の大乱交アドベンチャーⅡ~史上最大の肉弾戦!~".
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You forgot 巨乳, エロ汁塗れ, and フタナリ. :P
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Old 2005-10-03, 05:45
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I once saw a picture of Evangelion's Rei with all three of those at the same time.

Ugh.

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She also had a large number of penises in that picture. Like... probably over 30.

Ugh.
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Old 2005-10-06, 20:22
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Well, I've pretty much linked most renai games-to-anime adaptations on this list myself some time ago...
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