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Old 2007-06-13, 17:08
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While it's nice to have a company that even puts out visual novels, sometimes it's hard not to criticize Hirameki for their series of bad business decisions. Whether it be overestimating the market, cutting out several titles, or difficulties in marketing.
I remember writing Hirameki off as a bunch of loons after seeing their E3 2003 announcements (nearly 20 dubious games, all to be released within the year?!! I don't think I paid much more attention to them until the Ever17 announcement). That was pretty crazy.
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Old 2007-06-13, 17:50
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They did manage to release an impressive number of DVD games. Too bad their DVD conversion was awful.
IMO, Phantom of Inferno is kind of an exception. The developers at Digiturbo/Nitroplus clearly tailored the product to work with the medium (nice CG sequences, smooth scene transitions with occasional camera movements), as opposed to merely presenting a butchered version of the original. My only complaint would be the few bugs that exist. For some reason, certain scenes are skipped depending on which choices you select - i.e. no knife combat lessons if you choose both forms of firearms training first.

On the other hand, Hourglass of Summer didn't fare well (awful sound mastering, choppy implementation), even in light of a better password system. Couldn't be helped though, considering that Digiturbo only worked on the conversion as a contractor, whereas Phantom of Inferno was their own property/release.
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Old 2007-06-29, 14:36
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Ok, guys. I talked to one of the Hirameki people while at AX today, and he told me that they're quiet lately because they're trying to negotiate with cyberfront to get the rights to Remember11 and Never7. Apparently before KID went bankrupt, Hirameki had almost reached an agreement with them. So this is their second attempt at gaining the rights to these two titles, and they seem pretty confident about it.

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Old 2007-06-29, 19:28
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Ok, guys. I talked to one of the Hirameki people while at AX today, and he told me that they're quiet lately because they're trying to negotiate with cyberfront to get the rights to Remember11 and Never7. Apparently before KID went bankrupt, Hirameki had almost reached an agreement with them. So this is their second attempt at gaining the rights to these two titles, and they seem pretty confident about it.
This is great news. :)
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Old 2007-06-29, 22:21
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two more infinity series titles? good chance? man... this is some of the best news I've heard in months... only thing that would be icing on the cake is if haeleth released narcissu 2 later today...
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Old 2007-06-29, 23:54
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Its actually a decently tough battle from what Aldo-san was telling me today. It's a work in progress, but even if they get even right now, it would still be a long time (at least next year) till the would be able to get the game out. Right now Hirameki really is looking for something to hold them over till they can get some new titles out.
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Old 2007-07-06, 23:41
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I probably should just go about my buisness... , but I just can't ignore this:

The Official US company site of Hirameki International. A relatively small? company that has been bringing over all-age Visual Novel PC and DVD games from Japan; a niche product that is barely known in the US. I imagine that it is no small feat to bring these games to the US.
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Currently, nearly seventy percent of PC games in Japan are so-called “visual novel games”.
Recently, many of these games have gone on to become TV anime - for instance, “Kimi ga nozomu eien,” “Sukisho,” and “Tsukihime”.
A number of these shows have been released to DVD in America, and most of you are probably familiar with them.
The visual novel games themselves are characterized by a uniquely Japanese aesthetic - moe, or a sense of adoration for the characters - and have expanded into a wide variety of genres.
We hope to choose the very best of all these games, and introduce them to the American market.

To Japanese otaku, visual novels are nearly as indispensable as anime and manga, and we are proud to make them available to an international audience.
Discover the next great thing from the land that gave the world otaku culture!

If you have any questions or comments, or would like to receive a trial version of one of our games, please feel free to send us an e-mail.
This quote is from their About Us section... It sounds like a nice company.
And their site... A pretty cute anime site. I like it.
Now I go to check their BBS style fourms...
sigh. A mountain of spam has been dumped on every topic talking about illegal downloads ;/
Yep, basically the entire site has been hit with spam related to some download site.
And no, this is not the first time this has happened.

Ugh. I'd like the download site to implode or something. I'm spreading the word trying to reach out to people, I mean what should we do? What can we do?
What can or should fans of someone's work do when crap like this happens?

I'm so bothered by it because...
1) This is their Official Company Community Fourms.
2) This is not a big company, or a well known company. Nor a well known product.
3) I'm really interested in works they have done. One of their titles got me interested in Visual Novels...

Sadly. Sadly. It seems like nobody is moderating the fourms, which really is inexcusable; and you could blame what's happened due to that. But, that's besides the point, because people who are just learning of Hirameki are showing up there and unknowingly Killing the company.
Want some figures? This is from the download site...
Looking at the times "snatched" :

Ai Yori Aoshi - 30$ * 13
Tea Society of a Witch 18$ * 17
Yo-Jin-Bo 30$ * 20
Phantom of Inferno 18$ * 9
Exodus Trilogy 30$ (used to be 18$ for each disc for each but due to lack of sales...) * 33
Hourglass of Summer 18$ * 62
Piece of Wonder 30$ * 65 (there are 70 seeders and 122 leechers)
Animamundi - Dark Alchemist 30$ * 67 (there are 73 seeders and 52 leechers)
Amusement Park 18$ * 43 (there are 114 seeders and 156 leechers)
Ever 17: Out of Infinity 30$ * 48 (there are 166 seeders and 247 leechers)

That's about 10k $. Ten thousand dollars. Oh and that wasn't including the seeders and leechers. Let's add those for fun.

... ... .. .... . . .. ...
Uh, unless my math is wrong I got 26,760$ from the seeders and leechers alone.
That means. This little download site has cost Hirameki-Int approx at least Thirty Five Thousand Dollars.
(or just 20k $ if you minus the leechers; oh and just so you know these are not all of Hirameki's games)

I know this kind of thing happens all the time, but. Seeing their Own Official website stained in not just one or two random download links. But, in every topic multiple times in some cases.

This is an example of Cyber Terrorism. This is the kind of thing that Should be punishable. Not to mention this happening at least twice that I know of.
So.................. sigh sigh sigh

Hopefully by showing people, that whether they mean to or not; downloading games from a small company or individual illegally, is killing or at least limiting our chances of seeing what really is waiting out there. The famous games and Visual Novels cost an ass and a foot, I've heard figures around a million US to license some... Hirameki and Visual Novels are not by any means Square Soft and RPGs.

What I wish they understood :
The internet is an amazing place. Information, music, games, so much at our fingertips. But, don't be too careless, if only for the sake of those who try to make a living by creating, or making the things we enjoy possible. If you want something to succeed you have to support it. Don't let big buisnesses and ordinary rule the public; understand who you are dealing with.
Just... pay a little more attention to your actions... and their consequences.

Never know who might read this...
[(this is an edited post of my original Cyber-Terrorism against Games topic on another fourm)]

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Old 2007-07-07, 04:04
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As much as I agree with your sentiment of '*sigh*', please remember that downloads does not equate to lost sales in the slightest. You simply cannot make any kind of guess at figures in these kinds of situations.

What you can do: do your best to get in touch with Hirameki and alert them to the problem, and get them to moderate their forums.
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Old 2007-07-07, 04:33
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Warez are a problem for the whole games industry, not just Hirameki. I doubt 99% of those who downloaded the games did even consider buying one of the games for even one second, so the actual loss isn't THAT big IMO. I think the reason Hirameki isn't doing so good is that the market here is still not ready for Visual Novels, plain and simple.

But you should definitely try to get in touch with Hirameki. There is no need to make things worse, I must say I'm disappointed in Hirameki that they apparently can't manage their own forums. If they can't it would be best to shut them down.

Btw, I don't think posting screenshots and mentioning the name of the torrent site are sooo good either - even more people read where to get the stuff for free now x_X
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Old 2007-07-07, 07:10
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Many has already tried contacting them... because they are M.I.A getting in touch is definitely impossible at the moment, but yes I am disappointed in Hirameki for neglecting their forum and let this torrent phase do as they please. It's not like fans could do anything anyway...
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Old 2007-07-07, 08:45
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@KaioShin - Noted! It was late and I was angry..! Edited the original post to only include the worst case impact. Removed names and pictures...
I still feel that some of the 99% of people who download the games illegally would consider buying the games if we could just reach out to them somehow... because I'm thinking of myself. A couple years back I was doing the same thing... Then at some point I started listening to the translation projects groups have started, read about personal struggles of some involved and of course, found myself enjoying these games! I eventually learnt about Hirameki, and fell in love with the company. I've tried to advertise for them whenever I could...
Then finally in Princess Peach games... "WARNING: Piracy of bishoujo games is one of the biggest problems we face in bringing more of these great games over to fans in the English-speaking world. Please support PC dating-sim games by not pirating English games. Thanks for your support!" After trying one of their newer games, seeing how well made I thought it was, and reading that statement... I finally officially converted from the problem to a supporter.

It might sound like the most ridiculous thing, but I learnt to support what you would like to see more of. I think some of them just need a reason...

EDIT: If you think I should remove most of the original post and edit it down more I'll do that~

@komichi - The reason I brought this up, is I didn't know what else to do. Ignore it? I like what Hirameki has done so far, and I feel like it's up to the fans to fight back somehow. I don't really know how, so I thought I'd spread my sentiment.

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Old 2007-07-07, 09:17
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Warez are a problem for the whole games industry, not just Hirameki. I doubt 99% of those who downloaded the games did even consider buying one of the games for even one second, so the actual loss isn't THAT big IMO. I think the reason Hirameki isn't doing so good is that the market here is still not ready for Visual Novels, plain and simple.
Agreed. As frustrating as the Hirameki situation has been, most pirates probably have no intention of buying their games.

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Many has already tried contacting them... because they are M.I.A getting in touch is definitely impossible at the moment, but yes I am disappointed in Hirameki for neglecting their forum and let this torrent phase do as they please. It's not like fans could do anything anyway...
According to AMN's webmaster, Hirameki's Sales Manager (from the American office) is very upset about the forums. However, there's only one person from the Japanese office with moderation privileges, and he hasn't interacted with the fans in ages.

He must surely be aware of the problem by now, but who knows.
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Old 2007-07-07, 12:24
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Son of a bloody bitch...!
(Please pardon the language.)

It's one thing to make a post or start a topic linking to a torrent of a game (or a saved torrent search). It's another to hack the publisher's official site and replace every BBS post with said link. Some people have absolutely no integrity. I'm honestly surprised that Hirameki hasn't contacted TP and gotten them to remove the torrents like they did with DA (not that that would help the situation much in this case...).

When using Hirameki's forums, I tend to avoid the topics for the games I have yet to play, then check them out in their entirety once I've finished the title in question. Now, I have to thank this douche for robbing me of the ability to do just that. X-Calibar already covered the other problems with this guy's actions, so I don't think I need to repeat them.

While people can debate illegal vs. immoral 'til the cows come home when it comes to torrenting, it's pretty obvious that this guy's actions are nothing short of intentionally malicious. I personally hope this smartass gets caught so Hirameki can throw him behind bars or sue the pants off of him.

For now, I would temporarily shut down the community site until the problem can be properly taken care of (I speak from experience; I am a web programmer by trade, and all that's needed is FTP access to handle this...).
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Old 2007-07-07, 20:07
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two more infinity series titles? good chance? man... this is some of the best news I've heard in months... only thing that would be icing on the cake is if haeleth released narcissu 2 later today...
dude AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME
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Old 2007-07-07, 20:44
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I'm somewhat curious. Visual Novels make up 70% of PC game sales... what I'm curious about is, what percentage of these games are ero? All things considered, it seems like the porn industry is bigger in terms of scope in some countries than in others. I'm also curious as to why that is... *shrug*
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