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AstCd2
2005-05-14, 22:04
Some recent news:

Dest (http://www.nankinjyou.net/Dest/)
Air Prequel-type ADV Game featuring network play (!)

Clannad Spleunker (http://tekipaki.jp/~chinchilla/)
Clannad-ized remake of the NES classic.

CLANN (http://www.girldisease.com/clann.html)
Clannad-based ADV + Vocal Album

GreatSaintLouis
2005-05-15, 02:28
Wow, thanks for the links and for getting all of this stuff in one place!

I had a question that maybe someone could answer - I came across a rumor some time back (can't remember where) that there was an update to Eternal Fighter Zero in the works, and that it would feature the girls from Clannad in addition to the usual staples. Is there any truth to this? If it is more than just a rumor, I wonder what the odds would be of the game having Reverie as well...

AstCd2
2005-05-15, 05:36
Sounds like wishful thinking to me. Tasogare Frontier's pretty much completely gone over to Touhou, product-wise. I've got a feeling that it'll be a long time, if ever, before we see another update for EFZ.

Keisuke
2005-05-15, 08:14
I have a patch that allows you to select Kanna and Boss Mizuka.

http://jeongilkun.com.ne.kr/doujinsi/bossmizuka2.jpg

This patch will also let you have a battle with Boss Mizuka(as a mid-boss). She is damn cheap...

Anyone want it?

Spiritsnare
2005-05-15, 13:15
Some recent news:

Dest (http://www.nankinjyou.net/Dest/)
Air Prequel-type ADV Game featuring network play (!)


...How the hell does that work?

(network play, I mean?

GreatSaintLouis
2005-05-15, 15:29
I thought you could select Kanna by holding the 4th button (whatever you have it defined as) over Misuzu - or is this what the patch does?

And speaking of EFZ, tax returns finally came and I'm thinking of adding some more money to Himeya's coffers, but I'm rather confused - are the Blue Sky Edition and Bad Moon Edition stand-alone products, or would I have to buy the EFZ Renewal first to run either of them?

AstCd2
2005-05-15, 15:32
...How the hell does that work?

(network play, I mean?

Basically, at the beginning of the game, the players form a 'story group', each taking the role of a particular character. As the story progresses, each sees the story from the perspective of his or her particular character, and is offered choices depending on his or her role. The direction of the story as a whole is determined by a combination of the choices of all players.

And speaking of EFZ, tax returns finally came and I'm thinking of adding some more money to Himeya's coffers, but I'm rather confused - are the Blue Sky Edition and Bad Moon Edition stand-alone products, or would I have to buy the EFZ Renewal first to run either of them?

You'll need EFZ renewal to run the expansions, though BME isn't dependent upon BSE.
See Here (http://www.shop.akibaoo.co.jp/csb/servlet/CategoryGoodsListExistView?sorttype=0&categorycode=00000024&startindex=0&pagetype=0&shopcode=00000002)

Keisuke
2005-05-15, 15:53
I thought you could select Kanna by holding the 4th button (whatever you have it defined as) over Misuzu - or is this what the patch does?

Yes, but the patch that I am talking about will allow you to select Boss version of EX Mizuka(a.k.a Unknown) with all of her cheap CPU only moves too.

GreatSaintLouis
2005-05-15, 17:10
Ah, okay. From the ones I've played, there do seem to be some cheap CPU enemies in EFZ, being able to turn the tables could be nice!

AstCd2, the link you sent doesn't seem to work, bringing up an error page requesting that the viewer reenter the site from the main page...
And yeah, I knew that the BSE and BME weren't dependent on each other, but wasn't sure if they could be run on their own or not - looks like EFZ Renewal will be my first purchase then. Also, what exactly is the difference between the BME and BSE, and is one 'better' than the other, or do they both have their merits and flaws, or different characters?

kouryuu
2005-05-15, 19:01
If theres an EFZ patch/expansion with Revvie... I would be all over that.

Spiritsnare
2005-05-15, 19:23
If theres an EFZ patch/expansion with Revvie... I would be all over that.

I need to get both Planetarian and EFZ. I'm TORN ;_;

AstCd2
2005-05-16, 01:45
AstCd2, the link you sent doesn't seem to work, bringing up an error page requesting that the viewer reenter the site from the main page...
And yeah, I knew that the BSE and BME weren't dependent on each other, but wasn't sure if they could be run on their own or not - looks like EFZ Renewal will be my first purchase then. Also, what exactly is the difference between the BME and BSE, and is one 'better' than the other, or do they both have their merits and flaws, or different characters?

My apologies about the link. You won't find anything there that wasn't detailed in my post, so I won't bother to find the correct one.

BME and BSE both include a number of 'fixes' to the game (those in BME more drastic, including revision and removal of several moves), but the main benefits to having them are the additional characters. BSE adds Misuzu, Kano, Minagi and Kanna, while BME adds Mishio, Kaori and Ikumi.

My personal opinion is that BME is superior, as I found many of the characters from BSE irritatingly difficult to use, but bear in mind that I'm not one of those people who spend 6 hours a day playing these things.

I need to get both Planetarian and EFZ. I'm TORN ;_;

Why, the solution is simple! Just buy both! =P

If you had to pick one, though, Planetarian is probably better value for money.

kouryuu
2005-05-16, 07:03
I need to get both Planetarian and EFZ. I'm TORN ;_;

get planetarian first! well... i guess my opinion is biased, but ;p

Keisuke
2005-05-16, 07:27
My personal opinion is that BME is superior, as I found many of the characters from BSE irritatingly difficult to use, but bear in mind that I'm not one of those people who spend 6 hours a day playing these things.

Also, BME is much more balanced.

In original EFZ, Shiori could beat anyone with her powrful ice beam.
Rumi's auto-guard ability was GOD-ability in BSE.

New characters Ikumi and Kaori is fun to use too. Another new character Doppel Nanase is really hard to use though. =/


I need to get both Planetarian and EFZ. I'm TORN ;_;

Well..... If you are in a mood to read some good novel, I say go with Planetarian, or if you are in a mood to beat up a heorine that you dislike (for me, I had fun beating up Mayu) or a good fight, go with EFZ. =)

GreatSaintLouis
2005-05-16, 14:42
So it sounds like the BME is the definitive version to get... However, are Misuzu et al. still available?

And kouryuu, I'd have to cast my vote for Planetarian first - it's only around $10 (with the exchange rate when I ordered it, it was $9.50-something), and it's an awesome story you can come back to over and over again. EFZ is a bit more spendy, yet you DO get a physical product to go with your purchase (my biggest gripe with Planetarian, but I'm not up for spending ¥10000+ on Yahoo! Japan for one of the versions distributed at Comiket or wherever). Plus, think of it this way - if you purchase Planetarian first, then you just need to earn the $10 back before you can purchase EFZ, but with EFZ being ~$30 at the cheapest, you'll have to stock up more money before you're back to where you were before buying it, and can then purchase Planetarian. At least, that's the sort of flawed logic that accompanies many of my consumer decisions...

AstCd2
2005-05-16, 15:43
God bless Fan Economics =P

Maceart
2005-05-16, 15:50
Planetarian is an awesome game to spend 5-6 hours on. BME is only fun if you have another otaku friend that you can pummel on. If not, then you can learn the antics of the AI pretty quickly.

kouryuu
2005-05-16, 21:33
At least, that's the sort of flawed logic that accompanies many of my consumer decisions...

heh... beats my consumer decision making skills...


*opens checkbook looks inside* Hey I have money! *click, click, spend, spend* *looks again* :,( no more... boo. *goes to enjoy spoils*

God bless Fan Economics =P
yea... I learned quick... when my paycheck comes in, take what i need, and hide it in the back of my checkbook where i won't see it on my buying binges.

New
2005-05-16, 21:53
I have a job and I'm young enough to spend the money on what I want and not on room and board. :D

Thus, I can get any game I damn well want.

GreatSaintLouis
2005-05-17, 00:17
Enjoy it while it lasts, because it's gone all too soon. :(

Where 'gourmet meal' means taking a break from instant noodles and having Zatarain's Red Beans And Rice instead.

But anytime you feel the need to possibly offset your karma for the future, feel free to ship a game or two over my way... ;)

adun50
2005-05-17, 03:17
heh... beats my consumer decision making skills...


*opens checkbook looks inside* Hey I have money! *click, click, spend, spend* *looks again* :,( no more... boo. *goes to enjoy spoils*


hehehe, that is like my friend, he tells me buy now and think about it later. the amount of figurines in his room..... though I do have a handful myself.

anyway, I'll be buying some games later this year when I goto Japan

GreatSaintLouis
2005-05-17, 12:14
anyway, I'll be buying some games later this year when I goto Japan

Now did you say, "buying some games" or "running an export service for your friends back on the Haeleth message board?"

I thought I heard the latter... ;)

Slipgate
2005-05-17, 15:02
I'm pretty sure I did too.

kouryuu
2005-05-17, 23:57
hehehe, that is like my friend, he tells me buy now and think about it later. the amount of figurines in his room..... though I do have a handful myself.

anyway, I'll be buying some games later this year when I goto Japan

I don't have many figurines... just my Gunam Model. But lots of posters... (Who needs wallpaper or paint?) and DVDs.

New
2005-05-18, 07:57
I'm pretty sure I did too.
Thirded. Buy me a copy of "Princess Bride" while you're at it. I'll pay you back, I promise.

adun50
2005-05-18, 16:33
nihahaha, well let me see. I will be there for a whole two weeks. but its more of a factor of me being able to carry so much back :P

but then again. I am guessing my friend who I am going with will be mailing stuff back to himself.

mr.aufziehvogel
2005-05-22, 15:18
hmm i've tried clannad spelinker, but it crased every time.

when i set it to 30fps it's running up to the next menu (with the star) and after that it crashed :(

AstCd2
2005-06-11, 23:43
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Valkyrie
2005-06-13, 05:22
it looks kind of....funny, i guess? o.O
with the weird-ed out faces...>.>

AstCd2
2005-07-11, 02:34
http://www.cokage.ne.jp/~hiiragi/top64.jpg

Hiiragiboshi, the lunatic behind Kanoso, appears set to go parody on To Heart 2 this summer comiket. It looks to feature the same reckless disregard for original scenarios and unhealthy obsession with early 90s ultraviolence manga that made his earlier parodies so appallingly fun to play through.

Link: http://www.cokage.ne.jp/~hiiragi/0_new.htm

Haeleth
2005-07-11, 04:36
I'm... scared... [insert three-page long kaomoji here]

GreatSaintLouis
2005-07-11, 04:56
I think that Takumi Hiiragiboshi is secretly one of Purple Software's scenario writers at his day job - he DOES say he's an eroge scenario writer on his webpage profile, after all!

gp32
2005-07-11, 09:25
This would make an eerie amount of sense ... O_O

emperor
2005-07-11, 09:35
How can you be secrelty a scriptwriter for a company? I just can't quiet believe one can... Anyways, go to getchu and search the script writer 柊, and yes you will find some stuff he wrote scripts for, and no, none by purplesoft.

GreatSaintLouis
2005-07-11, 12:26
It was an attempt at irreverant humor, made because Kanoso and ONF are just as weird in their own ways as Majipuri.

AstCd2
2005-07-11, 14:38
It's not unheard of for certain writers to work under different pseudonyms for different companies. Leaf's Chou-sensei was famed for the number of names he worked under (and the distinctive style of his text that tended to give him away), and there's been any number of alleged Hisaya Naoki sightings under new names ever since he left Key.

AstCd2
2005-08-06, 07:12
http://www.girldisease.com/clann.html

A rather slick OP movie has been posted for the ambitious doujin album/ADV game Clann, which features some notably high production values and the ubiquitous vocalist 霜月はるか of Maple Leaf.

(The movie is spoiler free, for those yet to play Clannad)

Mirrors
[ 1 (http://mirror0.fuzzy2.com/girldisease/CLANN_DEMO.zip) 2 (http://mirror2.fuzzy2.com/girldisease/CLANN_DEMO.zip) 3 (http://mirror3.fuzzy2.com/girldisease/CLANN_DEMO.zip) 4 (http://mirror4.fuzzy2.com/girldisease/CLANN_DEMO.zip) 5 (http://mirror5.fuzzy2.com/girldisease/CLANN_DEMO.zip) 6 (http://mirror6.fuzzy2.com/girldisease/CLANN_DEMO.zip) 7 (http://mirror11.fuzzy2.com/girldisease/CLANN_DEMO.zip) ]

http://www.girldisease.com/img/filmc.jpg

http://www.girldisease.com/img/cg01.jpghttp://www.girldisease.com/img/cg08.jpghttp://www.girldisease.com/img/03.jpg

Frighteningly enough, one of the tracks slated for the album is an English version of 小さなてのひら... ガクガク(((( ;゚Д゚))))ブルブル

Haeleth
2005-08-06, 07:23
Looks good!

Frighteningly enough, one of the tracks slated for the album is an English version of 小さなてのひら... ガクガク(((( ;゚Д゚))))ブルブル
Personally I'm still waiting to hear an English version of "Ana"... :p

And, on a non-Key-related note: those who can handle Japanese, grab a copy of Narcissu (http://stage-nana.sakura.ne.jp/) immediately. (Gp32, this means you... I think you'd like it; the medical details are probably awful, but the writing's good, if I'm any judge.)

It's a (free to download, 500 yen on CD) dojin by Tomo Kataoka of ねこねこソフト. Well worth a read, if <strike>rather</strike> extremely depressing.
Story summary from the homepage (not really a spoiler): 現代、暗い、主人公とヒロイン、どっちも死にます。

gp32
2005-08-06, 17:00
(Gp32, this means you... I think you'd like it; the medical details are probably awful, but the writing's good, if I'm any judge.)
The writing of the NScripter script itself, on the other hand ... I mean, multiple topcrash bugs in the shipping product? That's just dodgy. -_-

Oh, right -- this is an NScripter-based game, for all those who are interested. However, the latest version of ONScripter will topcrash at some points (unimplemented commands and the like); the game itself running the stock NScripter client topcrashes at some of the same points, though (malformed syntax and the like).

And of course, we don't have any future plans to translate this game, good as the writing [well, apart from the medical details, which are ... um ... well ... I guess coming from a scenario writer who's been known to use Eroge Common Comatose Heroine Illness (the vaunted ECCHI) heavily in the past, they're not ... um ... too horrendously misstated] may be.

Hikari Tsukishiro
2005-08-06, 19:36
I think that Takumi Hiiragiboshi is secretly one of Purple Software's scenario writers at his day job - he DOES say he's an eroge scenario writer on his webpage profile, after all!

Is Purple Software's ero scenes that badly or oddly written?
And yes, I am aware of the irony of me asking with a Mia avatar.

zalas
2005-08-06, 21:05
Oops, I forgot I had already downloaded this. *goes to watch*

EDIT: Nicely done, didn't realize Rekka Katakiri was in this :D

AstCd2
2005-08-06, 21:26
And, on a non-Key-related note: those who can handle Japanese, grab a copy of Narcissu (http://stage-nana.sakura.ne.jp/) immediately.

While the originality of the premise is questionable, it's certainly an interesting read.

In particular, I really liked the deliberately minimalist approach to the direction and writing. Pretty much every game these days contains more filler detail than it should, so it's very refreshing to see a game that takes the opposite approach and depicts only the core ideas, leaving the rest to the reader - it definitely worked for me.

Further, the free distribution of the program and minimal text content make it the most ideal candidate for translation I've ever seen. If there aren't any plans to make a translation patch at this point, English-speaking players certainly have cause to petition for one.

gp32
2005-08-06, 22:35
In particular, I really liked the deliberately minimalist approach to the direction and writing. Pretty much every game these days contains more filler detail than it should, so it's very refreshing to see a game that takes the opposite approach and depicts only the core ideas, leaving the rest to the reader - it definitely worked for me.
Tomo Kataoka's afterword on this is interesting:


Thoughts After The Words

About The Visuals

I ended up utilizing far more pictures than I ever thought I would.

At the onset, I had intended to go with simple images clad in black and white alone ...

And if I were someone who had the right to call himself a real writer, it might actually have worked that way, but ...

In my mind and in my heart, it seems that art and text will be forever intertwined.

About The Voices

In the end, I decided to utilize voices after all.

After all, to the last they were recorded so they could be compared to the unvoiced version, so I was pleasantly relieved to find that they do introduce a question all of their own.

And that is: what is the difference between those who play unvoiced first, voiced second and those who play voiced first, unvoiced second?

I wanted to know what that difference was, and that is yet another reason why I ended up putting the voices in.

Conclusion

Now that all is said and done,

one must wonder whether the original concept -- of deliberately shifting the burden of imagination (primarily by minimizing voice, visual, and written media) to the reader in hopes of planting therein the seeds of a feeling without end -- had merit.

I think that the "principle" of it is in the right.

But in the end, I feel as if I might not have been the best choice for the application of the principle.

Leaving questions of style and genre specifics aside, at the very onset my main question was this:

Whether novel-type writing -- not script- or poem-type -- would be better for this kind of project.

But if there were to be no pictures, then one would have to spend a lot of words on character descriptions.

Conversely, if character descriptions were sparse, then pictures would be necessary after all.

Is that obvious? Certainly. But it really does bear saying.

Oh, it might be true that things might be different if one were to work at it and work at it intensely over a long, long time, but ...

For my part, I ended up using many more pictures than I had originally planned because I realized -- because of the aforementioned dilemma -- that it would be difficult to tell the story without them (so much for my original plan for simple black-and-whites ...).

And on top of that, since the in-game user interface mimics a movie, only two lines of text can be displayed at once -- yet another betrayal of the original concept, I think.

Therefore, I don't think that at present, I myself can reach high enough in pursuit of that ideal ...

But if you who have read this piece -- circle members, writers, it doesn't matter -- feel like reaching for it yourselves, I beg you to try where I have failed. Particularly you novel-style writers out there.

Because I cannot help but believe that the guiding principle is just.

And because it may well be that small limited visual novels, written by small limited hands and running on small limited systems are the last and best virtual reality that we have ...

Nanatuha
2005-08-07, 02:04
I got interested hearing the impression of AstCd2 though I've initially thought avoid of that because I'm not somehow congenial to NekoNeko.

Result. It was quite interesting. (゜∀゜)


昔のとりさん(Alicesoft)とか、STUDiO B-ROOMの人とかが、無駄を削ぎ落とした脚本タイプのテキスト超絶上手かったんだよなー。テキストの量で作品が評価されるようになってから、廃れてしまいましたが(ノベル以外のゲーム全般に言えることだけど)。うう、悲しい。シナリオ何千枚のボリューム!が売りのゲームは始める前からもう満腹だよぅ。

Haeleth
2005-08-07, 02:18
Particularly interesting is that he's disappointed he didn't manage to get further away from conventional visual novels; as a contrast to the dead trees I've been ploughing through recently, I felt the balance Narcissu reaches is actually rather satisfying. In particular, I thought he did pretty well both keeping descriptive passages to a minimum and restricting our views of Setsumi to glimpses.

AstCd2-> I'm actually very tempted to translate it myself.
*Is lynched by a horde of enraged Kanon fans*

Nanatuhaさん-> そうですね。Clannadやフェートのような巨大作品はいくら面白くても、人生は短すぎるので二度とプレイする予定がありません。ああ、キネチックノベルもこのナルキッソスのようなものもあって良かったな-って思っています。

Eroge Common Comatose Heroine Illness爆!

At least this time he seems to have decided what's wrong with them... and though I'm not in a position to judge the treatment details myself, there are two hospitals mentioned in the credits, so it sounds like he did at least some research.

emperor
2005-08-07, 07:33
It's a (free to download, 500 yen on CD) dojin by Tomo Kataoka ofねこねこソフト
He didn't fail in making it obvious.
When it started 眩しかった日の事 I tought ??!? そんな夏の日の事?? But when I expected the 夏 then 冬 came. Is this true creativity, a joke, or something that, to his mind, is a very good line...

gp32
2005-08-07, 16:18
Is this true creativity, a joke, or something that, to his mind, is a very good line...
He obviously thinks that it's a very good line, as per his afterword:

About The Subject Matter ...

As mentioned above, I ended up putting many different experimental elements in the plot.

But in those elements (storyline and the like), I allowed myself to the last to put all my heart into writing the way my heart desired, for this was not a commercial piece, nor was it work.

I wasn't particularly interested in whether it was interesting, or whether it aroused me, or whether it made me cry, or anything like that.

Oh, to be sure, it wasn't as if I was protesting against the criminal legal system or the current health care system, or anything like that either ...

... In the end, if those of you who played through it ...

... felt that it was boring, or interesting, or that there was a message, or that you really didn't get it, or that you felt disgusted, or that you didn't feel happy, or anything else ...

... no matter what it is that you felt, as long as you felt something ...

Then that which you felt is, for your part, must be the all of this piece.

As for myself? For me, personally, I feel that ...

”眩しかった日のこと、そんな冬の日のこと”
"This is a tale of a radiant day, of that selfsame winter day."

... is all.

GreatSaintLouis
2005-08-07, 23:08
<offtopic>
Is Purple Software's ero scenes that badly or oddly written?
I've not played the full game but the taikenban is... well, it's really, really weird. Conversely, Kanoso is really, really, REALLY weird. The world is much too sane a place to have too many of these nutjobs running around loose, so my fervent hopes are projected on the Kanoso and Majipuri writers that they are infact the same person - for the love of God and all that is good in creation!

I mean, you've played the demo, right? One can't possibly say it was the work of a sane mind! More importantly, what does this indicate about gp32's mental state, to pursue (and complete) a translating project like Majipuri, hot on the heels of Fate/stay night's eggplant mushroomy goodness, no less?
</offtopic>

dgreater1
2005-08-10, 08:49
I was playing EFZ:BME, when Nayuki suddenly blow me away with a super I haven't seen before. Just then I remembered that this game was based from famous games like KoF, Marvel vs. Capcom, Street Fighter and so on. I haven't had thought that each characters have Desparation Super ^_^ just like KoF 2000+ Series, so I read the manual. I couldn't help but feel confused when I saw Misuzu's Desparation Super ^_^ don't know if I'll be sad or I'll be happy. Anyway, I've seen almost all of the Desparation Super except for Kano Kirishima. Anyone here know how to execute it?

AstCd2
2005-08-12, 23:27
Tasogare Frontier of EFZ and Touhou Suimusou fame are unveiling their latest work today at C68

http://www.tasofro.net/diary/2005/mozaiku01.jpg

Anyone care to speculate on the contents? ^^;

Keisuke
2005-08-13, 00:19
That LOOKS LIKE either Nayuki, or Mario doing a flip.

GreatSaintLouis
2005-08-13, 01:03
Mario's Headstand Adventure?

gp32
2005-08-13, 07:08
Mario vs. Me-tan In The Eggplant Mushroom Kingdon?

Haeleth
2005-08-13, 07:46
Death Jam Fight for NaYu?

hir
2005-08-13, 08:04
The green head(?) reminds me of Higurashi character...
The other trying to do a Spinning Bird Kick.

New
2005-08-13, 08:15
Death Jam Fight for NaYu?

"They're break-dance fighting!"

AstCd2
2005-08-13, 08:48
The green head(?) reminds me of Higurashi character...

某生存率0%のヒロインのことか!
And I suppose the one on the right is 梨花タン(巫女ver)? =P

I'm ecstatic about the TV series, but what the world really needs is a Higurashi no naku koro ni fighting game.

hir
2005-08-14, 00:47
I had a short glimpse of the game demo in question at C68.
It was indeed a Higurashi game, sort of 3D third-person-view melee battle.

I could see several Higurashi character moving around in 3D field,
one of which being the player's, each of them holding various close-range weapons. I guess you approach any target at will and whack them until they go down.

Strongly resembled the game Berserk on DreamCast, but there should be more appropriate examples. I'm not really familiar with recent 3D games.

The writing said this game is developed under Dragoon 07's supervision.
Not much details other than that.

AstCd2
2005-08-14, 01:00
報告乙であります!

I'll certainly be following the developments on this with interest.
As unorthodox as the concept sounds, I'm sure if any circle can make something like that playable, it's them.

AstCd2
2005-08-14, 03:05
http://www.cokage.ne.jp/~hiiragi/top66.jpg

Yet another C68 item from the tireless Takumi Hiiragiboshi.
This time, it's a CG collection of his... unique art.

Haeleth
2005-08-14, 03:17
Wot, no blood? Is this unprecedented? ^_^

GreatSaintLouis
2005-08-14, 07:54
No blood AND no drooling... Sometimes it seems his illustrations have more of the latter than the former.

zalas
2005-08-14, 12:17
Was this something that was released at C68?
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/521/funkycatmaybe0dz.jpg

AstCd2
2005-08-14, 14:48
The image isn't up anymore, but if it's the second of those TH2 dancing videos like I suspect, it came out at an event before C68.

kouryuu
2005-08-21, 20:49
anyone here try out the game Clannazo yet?

2005-08-22, 11:51
hmm where can i get that?

kouryuu
2005-08-22, 13:50
hmm where can i get that?

Well I haggled the price down for it at Otakon. So I'm not sure. I believe the store name was "Hen Da Ne" maybe they have a website you can buy off of?

If you're in Japan, here's the website (http://www5c.biglobe.ne.jp/~yo4hama/)

The games pretty fun, I just wish I had 3 other people to play against.

Spiritsnare
2005-08-22, 18:48
Hen da Ne has a bunch of doujin stuff, such as Nayukanoid and that-one-game-whose-name-I-can't-remember-for-the-life-of-me.

Oh, and that's where I got the AIRrade soundtrack. Lucky da~

hir
2005-09-08, 07:43
Touhou You-youmu(東方妖々夢) English translation patch was released.

Get it here:
http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php?title=Perfect_Cherry_Blossom:_English_patch

I'm amazed to see Touhou text getting translated with success,
since those dialogues in the game are mostly nonsense...

AstCd2
2005-09-17, 16:40
http://www.t-zizyou.co.uk/gamepage1.html

http://www.doujingame.com/img/0509/dg091801.gifhttp://www.doujingame.com/img/0509/dg091802.gif
http://www.doujingame.com/img/0509/dg091803.gifhttp://www.doujingame.com/img/0509/dg091804.gif
http://www.doujingame.com/img/0509/dg091805.gifhttp://www.doujingame.com/img/0509/dg091806.gif

T<sup>2</sup>'s put out Muvluv Substance, a short (and free!) doujin story based on Age's popular comedy-romance spinoff set in the Kimi ga Nozomu Eien universe.

zalas
2005-09-17, 22:30
Wish of the North Star? <_<;

AetherParadigm
2005-09-17, 23:09
http://www.t-zizyou.co.uk/gamepage1.html

T<sup>2</sup>'s put out Muvluv Substance, a short (and free!) doujin story based on Age's popular comedy-romance spinoff set in the Kimi ga Nozomu Eien universe.

Thank you! *cheers* ^_^

K
2005-09-18, 21:28
Touhou You-youmu(東方妖々夢) English translation patch was released.

Get it here:
http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php?title=Perfect_Cherry_Blossom:_English_patch

I'm amazed to see Touhou text getting translated with success,
since those dialogues in the game are mostly nonsense...
I'm helping out with the Imperishable Night translation project, actually ^_^;

There's some tough lines in there, yeah, but it all works out. I think.

AstCd2
2005-10-03, 17:03
Higurashi Daybreak
http://tasofro.net/higurashi/index.html

Details of Tasogare Frontier's (EFZ, Touhou Suimusou) next title have been posted.
As hir-san mentioned earlier at C68, it'll be a 3D Higurashi no naku koro ni fighting game.
The original author is also on board to write the script (although it's questionable just how much room there is for the game's sprawling plot in a deathmatch game ^^;)


<center>
http://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/title.jpg

http://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sl01.jpghttp://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sl02.jpghttp://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sl03.jpghttp://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sl04.jpg
http://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sl05.jpghttp://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sr01.jpghttp://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sr02.jpghttp://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sr03.jpg
http://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sr04.jpghttp://tasofro.net/higurashi/img/sr05.jpg

cyborg_alberto
2005-10-05, 00:15
Higurashi Daybreak
http://tasofro.net/higurashi/index.html

Details of Tasogare Frontier's (EFZ, Touhou Suimusou) next title have been posted.
As hir-san mentioned earlier at C68, it'll be a 3D Higurashi no naku koro ni fighting game.
The original author is also on board to write the script (although it's questionable just how much room there is for the game's sprawling plot in a deathmatch game ^^;)

A DeathMatch Anime Fan game!? SUGOOOOOOOOOOOI!

I Love DeathMatch PC games (UT RUleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees 4-Ever!! :)


But I don't see any download links... It means "The game isn't ready yet"?
If yes... I'll wait T_T
If no... well, I need know how kind of PC it needs to work :)

Another question: The Ethernal Fighter Zero avaliable in the http://tasofro.net/index.html is a demo version or a full version?
If "Demo version" => I'll get It in the e-mule someday :)
If "Full version"... why the gam updates doesn't work correctly in the EFZ 1.0 avaliable in the site!?


AstCd2: "(...)T2's put out Muvluv Substance, a short (and free!) doujin story based on Age's popular comedy-romance spinoff set in the Kimi ga Nozomu Eien universe."

Is it a Fighting game or a Dating sim game?

GreatSaintLouis
2005-10-05, 01:45
If "Demo version" => I'll get It in the e-mule someday :)

Why would you waste your time on eMule when you can just download the demo from their website?

AstCd2
2005-10-05, 01:51
But I don't see any download links... It means "The game isn't ready yet"?
If yes... I'll wait T_T
If no... well, I need know how kind of PC it needs to work :)

The game isn't done yet. My guess is that it'll be ready by the next Comiket.


Another question: The Ethernal Fighter Zero avaliable in the http://tasofro.net/index.html is a demo version or a full version?

It's a demo version.


AstCd2: "(...)T2's put out Muvluv Substance, a short (and free!) doujin story based on Age's popular comedy-romance spinoff set in the Kimi ga Nozomu Eien universe."

Is it a Fighting game or a Dating sim game?
Neither - there's no fighting or dating involved. If you're asking whether it's presented in the typical renai game engine format, though, the answer is yes.

Nephillim
2005-10-05, 01:58
Is it a Fighting game or a Dating sim game?

And if you want a definitive answer, it's a fandisk-y game. Of sorts... ^^;


Another question: The Ethernal Fighter Zero avaliable in the http://tasofro.net/index.html is a demo version or a full version?
If "Demo version" => I'll get It in the e-mule someday :)
If "Full version"... why the gam updates doesn't work correctly in the EFZ 1.0 avaliable in the site!?

If you need help identifying a demo from a full product, they're usually called "体験版" in Japanese. And no, the full version's a retail version: you've got to cough out the cash to play this one.

If by some reason you do obtain a copy of said-game, do take note that that not all the patches would work with the game executable. You can only patch within a version whole number, as in 2.00 to 2.13, or 3.00 to 3.10.

Hence, the only patch that should work for you would be "ver1.XX→Ver1.20 Update File" if you have a 1.00 version of the game

cyborg_alberto
2005-10-06, 06:32
Time to shot some posts...

Neither - there's no fighting or dating involved. If you're asking whether it's presented in the typical renai game engine format, though, the answer is yes.

=>So, this game isn't a fighting game!?
Oh S...!
Ok... no problem...
But the game has typical renai engine... 2 questions:
1° => "Renai" means... (Or What is "renai"? - if you prefer...)
2° => So, the engine of this game is similar to the Kanon engine, isn't it?

cyborg_alberto wrote:
Is it a Fighting game or a Dating sim game?


And if you want a definitive answer, it's a fandisk-y game. Of sorts... ^^;

=> What you mean with this?
Sorry, my english is bad! T_T
and Altavista translate link (Altavista? enter using this URL! www.altavista.com) translate this phrase very bad! T_T
But, you mean "a game with several gametypes, with a renai (It means: such the "Kanon engine"?) game engine"?

If by some reason you do obtain a copy of said-game, do take note that that not all the patches would work with the game executable. You can only patch within a version whole number, as in 2.00 to 2.13, or 3.00 to 3.10.

[b]=> As I said before, I've taken the demo game, but first I've taken the game update ("The update is bigger than the own game!", in the day of download... Of course, I didn't know that EFZ install of this site has been a demo version...)
Too late to say this...

Hence, the only patch that should work for you would be "ver1.XX→Ver1.20 Update File" if you have a 1.00 version of the game

=>Too late for this...
But, thanks for the information :P

see ya next time! ;P

Edit: here we don't discuss obtaining games by any means other than buying them - Haeleth

Pikawil
2005-10-06, 14:58
A DeathMatch Anime Fan game!? SUGOOOOOOOOOOOI!

I Love DeathMatch PC games (UT RUleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees 4-Ever!! :)

You're not alone!

Speaking of such, I'd like to see skins/models of renai games characters for UT/2K4...

cyborg_alberto
2005-10-07, 08:46
Well Pikawil

If you'd like to see some good UT/UTY2k4 models, search in www.skincity.beyondunreal.com

If you search in this site, you'll find the Kid (Of the Playstation RPG game Crono Cross) Model for UT 2k4, and for UT, the BubblegunCrisis models.

and several others skins and models - Even Homer Simpson, Mr Burns (The Simpsons) and Bender (Futurama) :P

but NONE of Kanon/AIR/Clannard/Renai games! T_T

good luck!

cyborg_alberto
2005-10-07, 09:01
Edit: here we don't discuss obtaining games by any means other than buying them - Haeleth

Oh man! I've made a big S... again!
I-aAaAa-aAA-I di-Diddi-ddn-dn't k-kkkk-no-ooow ab-bobob-bout this... I-AaA-AAa-a-AA-I (System bug :P) Sweaar!

Ok, no crazy ways for laughs in this post...


I'm so sorry, Haeleth. I swear, I didn't know...
besides, I don't use the (Insert your favourite P2P tool) to get games..

I ask for my friends such things :P

see ya!

Pikawil
2005-10-07, 09:29
Well Pikawil

If you'd like to see some good UT/UTY2k4 models, search in www.skincity.beyondunreal.com

If you search in this site, you'll find the Kid (Of the Playstation RPG game Crono Cross) Model for UT 2k4, and for UT, the BubblegunCrisis models.

and several others skins and models - Even Homer Simpson, Mr Burns (The Simpsons) and Bender (Futurama) :P

but NONE of Kanon/AIR/Clannard/Renai games! T_T

good luck!

Arleady knew of that site before. :P

cyborg_alberto
2005-10-08, 10:21
Oh...


ok :)

Well, If you play UT, I`ll recomemd the Genestealer Model.
A snifer arena with 5 bots (and yourself) using ONLY this model...
Oh man! A hard, very hard, head shot! :P

See ya within 5 or 6 hours! - or a bit more...
(I need format my PC again! T_T)

AstCd2
2005-10-13, 02:10
キタ━━━( ゚∀゚ )━( ゚∀)━(  ゚)━(  )━(゚  )━(∀゚ )━( ゚∀゚ )━━━!!!!

http://www.tasofro.net/diary/index.html
What may very well be the last update for an old favourite:

http://www.tasofro.net/diary/2005/nanika.jpg

Along with the notable additions of Akiko and a non-drowsy Nayuki,
Kanna and Chibi-Mizuka are now openly selectable, indicating a possible new last boss.

My money's on the 幻想少女 from Clannad =3

Freakker
2005-10-13, 10:00
From what babel fish can tell me, does it only say that we may see it(the update) soon?

AstCd2
2005-10-13, 14:39
There's been no date set for its release.
Presumably, it'll be out at whatever doujin event they turn up to next.

2005-10-14, 09:42
Hmmm...it seems like we have one more thing to look forward to, do we not? ;)

GreatSaintLouis
2005-10-14, 13:03
I'm still hoping for an update featuring the Clannad characters (and possibly Reverie/Mr. Customer from planetarian, but that's stretching it a bit...), but I doubt that's remotely likely in light of their new project.

Just think, they could have put Tomoyo in with some sort of goopy-sock attack, and some manner of attack incorporating her power of ド―――(゜Д゜)―――ン! as well.

Actually... that's not a good idea at all.

dgreater1
2005-10-14, 14:36
It would be great if we would see Tomoyo's (Clannad) multiple bounce combo in EFZ ^_^ That would be awesome. And also, Kotomi's Trance mode with the violin ^_^

drmchsr0
2005-10-14, 15:38
Super. Marisa. Land.

That is all.

(Ok, I realise I might be in the wrong forum, but what the heck.)

kouryuu
2005-10-14, 19:41
(and possibly Reverie/Mr. Customer from planetarian, but that's stretching it a bit...).

...If they did that, I might actually go back to playing EFZ rather than Meltyblood REAct...

Freakker
2005-10-14, 21:58
Reverie would be great, but Mr. Customer?

mr.aufziehvogel
2005-10-15, 09:11
what's with that EFZ update? i have the bad moon edition. can i update this o the new one or do i have to buy it?

can someone here tell me how to make the "tayiaki attack" with ayu in efz? i pressed random buttons and she startet to attack with tayiaki :)

edit: i have looked and found this page http://kitchen.realotakuheroes.com/games/efz_ayu.htm

hmmm..ayu tayiaki....214 + A(a) what does 214 mean? :)

dg1
2005-10-15, 10:13
Imagine your keypad as your joystick

789
456
123

214+A = Down->Down back->Back + A

mr.aufziehvogel
2005-10-15, 10:50
thanks. i will try it later.


i have a question about copyrights. i mean the companies that make games like efz/glove on fight. did they have to pay to key/other companies. i mean the charakters are key/whatever copyrights.

Shii
2005-10-15, 11:33
i have a question about copyrights. i mean the companies that make games like efz/glove on fight. did they have to pay to key/other companies. i mean the charakters are key/whatever copyrights.Doujinshi are happily overlooked in Japan. A company usually will not pounce unless if you're using the show/game's full name in your doujin.

mr.aufziehvogel
2005-10-15, 17:08
and what will be if a doujin game becomes extremly popular? i mean, if the company really earns money with their product. then..someday key will say "hey guys, you are using OUR charakters. pay :P"

Shii
2005-10-15, 17:19
Generally they are only sold at Comiket and in adult bookstores, so that's rather unlikely. If a doujin house had a budget for that sort of mass publication they could afford to make their own work.

AstCd2
2005-10-15, 18:21
i have a question about copyrights. i mean the companies that make games like efz/glove on fight. did they have to pay to key/other companies. i mean the charakters are key/whatever copyrights.

In addition to the practical issues Shii has outlined, the law of copyright is not as useful for this kind of thing as people commonly believe. Prima facie, there is no property in a mere idea (such as a character). The key right commonly associated with Copyright is the exclusive right to reproduce the work<sup>1</sup> itself. This would not, for example, protect something like Kanon against a work like EFZ, as it doesn't even come close to being a 'reproduction' of the former.

Instead of copyright, the kind of lawsuits you often see over usage of characters is based in trademarks and passing off/unfair trading legislation. I'm uncertain as to the trademark status of the popular renai gaming icons, but the Unfair Competition Prevention Law<sup>2</sup> has provisions to prevent the use of 'indications' identical with, or similar to, another person’s famous goods or other indication. Thus, theoretically speaking, the original game maker might have a case against a doujin game maker that used its distinguishing indicators. To my knowledge, however, this has yet to be tested.

<sup>1</sup>Copyright Law (No. 48, 6 May Showa 45), Chapter II, Article 21
Notably, the right to translation (Article 27) is another.
<sup>2</sup>Unfair Competition Prevention Law (No. 47, 19 May Heisei 5), Article 2

mr.aufziehvogel
2005-10-15, 18:48
hmm..then if i make a game with (for example) disney charakters..and it would be a hentai game .....i dont know, but i thing it i would get problems if i would produce this stuff.

if key can't protect their charakters from doujin games, than what would they do, if some company comes up with a "kanon sequel"..but ..you know...it would have another name, but it would be clear that this game is related to kanon and it would also be clear that this game is a "fictional" kanon sequel...

AstCd2
2005-10-15, 18:56
hmm..then if i make a game with (for example) disney charakters..and it would be a hentai game .....i dont know, but i thing it i would get problems if i would produce this stuff.

if key can't protect their charakters from doujin games, than what would they do, if some company comes up with a "kanon sequel"..but ..you know...it would have another name, but it would be clear that this game is related to kanon and it would also be clear that this game is a "fictional" kanon sequel...

Depending on the jurisdiction, unfair trading laws (such as those mentioned above) could apply to prevent the misleading of consumers into believing the work had some kind of association with another well-known work when it really didn't. Japan doesn't have a common law passing off action like in the British Commonwealth countries, arguably making this more difficult, but Disney's lawyers are reknowned for being highly skilled and absolutely merciless, so that Disney hentai game you speak of would be a very bad idea indeed =P

Shii
2005-10-15, 19:07
hmm..then if i make a game with (for example) disney charakters..and it would be a hentai game .....i dont know, but i thing it i would get problems if i would produce this stuff. It's already been done and ruled illegal, actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Pirates

Welcome to the United States, birthplace and final resting place of freedom of expression!

(N.B. There is a slight chance that this ruling was overturned in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, but you'd still have to be out of your mind to try again and see.)

Haeleth
2005-10-16, 01:54
I guess one part of it will be that Key's fans are, by and large, intelligent adults, so encouraging creative fandom by letting people spread their love of the games by making spinoffs may well serve to increase sales of Key's games. (Bear in mind how little advertising Key actually do. And I know several people who first met the Kanon team in one of the various dojin games, and were then inspired to check out the original.)

Disney, on the other hand, target their products at preteens, so the prospect of high-quality sympathetic fan fiction is basically nil; they also have a huge advertising budget.

It can be noted in passing that due to the unoriginal nature of most of Disney's output, you could quite easily make a hentai game based on a number of their titles ("Beauty X Cinderella!") and it would be difficult for them to prove a case if, as the dojin makers do, you drew your own artwork in a style not slavishly copying theirs.

mr.aufziehvogel
2005-10-16, 08:03
ok that sounds right :)

another question of me is....why did key do pc versions without voice and ps2/dc versions with voice?

i mean , the pc versions are aimed at adults (18+) and as far as i know, ps2 and dc versions are only the all ages versions. is that right?

but why don't they make voices to the pc versions? i mean, yes you can buy the dc/ps2 versions, extract the voices and patch your pc version but isn't that kind of a double strategy?

i mean it's a bit unfair to the pc users.

i don't know if this is still true, but i've heard that in japan, the pc hasn't the same "value" as in the us or europe. more ppl have consoles as pc's. then why didn't they make adult versions for consoles? or isn't this right anymore? (i've read that 2003)

hir
2005-10-16, 08:31
Attempting to speculate, hope my knowledge proves sufficient:

There already are many PC Adult games which feature voices. Casting of the voice actresses bring high attention among fans.
But somehow Key chose not to release their PC product with voices included.

No knowing why, they may have described it in magazine interviews or something but that's out of my knowledge.

Recording takes very much time and cost. You have to choose and direct the actors/actresses. They have to have the right voice for the characters.

Maybe the company didn't have enough resources to spend on voice-related works to make it in time for PC version release.
Maybe the scenario writer was too slow or the company didn't have enough money.

(When the PC version makes good sales, they would recover some money to create Console versions, adding voice elements)

Or they may claim they didn't want their stories effected by the images of those voices...classic dispute.

When I finished Kanon and Air on PC, I though for both that the scenario was way too long for it to be voiced. Then I hear it'll be released for DC. I didn't believe it but they did it. And they were both excellent.

So if time or whatever permits I think Key would do it. And they will on Tomoyo After. Now you get what you wanted.

Oh yeah, and Adult game for console would never be (publicly) tolerated by the society. That's the general rule since the ages of NES.
(GTA San Andreas received 18+ sales restriction for its violence and obscenity in Japan)

And should I mention AllAges/18+ casting problems?

mr.aufziehvogel
2005-10-16, 08:40
thanks hir. but i mean, is this right that more people have consoles than pc's?

i still think it's a bit unfair. maybe it is because of the time...but why didn't they make voice updates for free when the dc/ps2 versions are out?

the pc users pay the same price and it has no voices. (not that i like voices so much, but it's unfair that we pay the same price and have "less features") :)

i mean, yeah i have a dreamcast. but i don't want to mod it only because i want to rip the voice files off the gd-rom.

and i dunno where to get voice files ather way.

that's what i am talking about.