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Village Idiot
2005-05-12, 11:45
Due out sometime this year.

Source: Moon Phase

http://www.moonphase.cc/Html/anime.html

Just thought everyone would like to know :D

zalas
2005-05-12, 14:00
I wonder when that got added to the page. I don't quite remember any particular announcements on the front page. I hope it's not a stay-over from the April Fool's joke they pulled :D

GreatSaintLouis
2005-05-12, 14:29
I sure hope it isn't some sort of mean joke or anything like that... On the one hand, considering the success of Tsukihime and Fate/stay night and the fanbase for both, an anime wouldn't be too farfetched, especially with the relative success of the Tsukihime anime. However, I'm not going to get my hopes up too much - I remember the intense disappointment after a certain someone announced that Kanon was licensed for US distribution a few months back...

If it is true, I'll definately be camping the usual fansub distribution channels day and night, waiting for the first release.

sage
2005-05-12, 15:14
There have been no announcements on either the zakki or the main page and judging by the 2ch posts, it doesn't seem like anybody even noticed it was on the anime yotei page (which also lists rumors) until the 12th. Seems kind of fishy to be honest.

AstCd2
2005-05-12, 16:00
It's also rather odd that neither Studio Dien nor Type Moon have any details about it on their sites. I suppose the source must have been a magazine, if it's indeed true.

GreatSaintLouis
2005-05-12, 16:20
Well, it could always be one of those things that haven't been officially announced yet, but a magazine/rumor site got wind of the news and posted first, right? (He said, hopefully.)

Tagan
2005-05-12, 16:59
Yeah, I hope it's not a joke. An Fate/Stay Night anime would be awesome.

adun50
2005-05-12, 17:38
yeah i hope it ain't a joke either. Though I can see Fate/Stay Night being a good anime, like Tsukihime

Maceart
2005-05-12, 20:08
I really hope that this anime can top the style and setting/atmosphere set by Tsukihime, but have much better pacing and animation. I hope someone other than JC Staff pick this up.

kouryuu
2005-05-12, 23:25
I'll be looking forward to it.

zalas
2005-05-13, 06:40
Looks like someone else was confused too:


ririsu
『アニメ予定表にFate/stay night(スタジオディーン)が追加されてるんですが、これってマジネタでしょうか?
どんなにプラス思考で考えようとしても、不安が募るばかりなんですが・・・。』

I don't see any replies tho.

kouryuu
2005-05-30, 06:03
If It's true what I've heard, that Geneon will be showing a trailer for the series at the Rondo Robe event, then that means Geneon should probably be brining the series stateside once its complete.

If the Fate/stay Night anime comes stateside, I wonder how possible It would be to bring the Game over?

Do you think they might make a US release of the game, if the series comes? Is there anything we could do to help it get here, and possibly make it stepping stone for other games?


although I guess this may have all been said and discussed about when Tsukihime was released...

New
2005-05-30, 08:44
If It's true what I've heard, that Geneon will be showing a trailer for the series at the Rondo Robe event, then that means Geneon should probably be brining the series stateside once its complete.

If the Fate/stay Night anime comes stateside, I wonder how possible It would be to bring the Game over?

Do you think they might make a US release of the game, if the series comes? Is there anything we could do to help it get here, and possibly make it stepping stone for other games?


although I guess this may have all been said and discussed about when Tsukihime was released...

They brought To Heart over. Is the To Heart game in English? If so, there's a good chance. If not, there isn't.

Soulfang
2005-05-30, 09:28
Looks like someone else was confused too:


ririsu
『アニメ予定表にFate/stay night(スタジオディーン)が追加されてるんですが、これってマジネタでしょうか?
どんなにプラス思考で考えようとしても、不安が募るばかりなんですが・・・。』

I don't see any replies tho.
:(

Aldareon
2005-06-01, 01:36
They brought To Heart over. Is the To Heart game in English? If so, there's a good chance. If not, there isn't.
To Heart has not been translated. The anime was very bad in that most people described it as extremely boring so it shouldn't come as a surprise that a game did not come through.

Haeleth
2005-06-01, 02:00
...plus Leaf/Aquaplus, being kind of established and having vast catalogues of hugely popular titles, are not likely to be the sort of company to risk their reputation on a license for an apparently non-existent market, at least not for a fee anything short of extortionate.

It's not clear that Type-Moon would have a different attitude, either. And ToHeart would have been a better bet in that there are non-adult versions available, including console ports - the nature of Fate, which probably couldn't be made kid-friendly, is only going to be another turn-off to American distributors. (Except for the porn specialists like Peach Princess - but why would they bother, when they can get more sex for less money elsewhere?)

AstCd2
2005-06-01, 02:42
Which brings us to an interesting dilemma - just how much of a market would be required to support these titles?
The Japanese sales figures themselves are certainly well below those of, say, a popular novel:

(Figures vary - I've sourced these from Famitsu and versammeln)

Originals
Kanon (18+) (PC) 54,000 units
AIR (18+) (PC) 102,000 units
Mizuiro (PC) 42,767 units
Kiminozo (PC) 46,119 units
Tokimemo 3 (PS2) 130,000 units

Consumer Versions
To Heart (PS) 95,787 units
Comic Party (DC) 77,237 units
One (PS) 27,865 units
Kanon (DC) 82,612 units
Kanon (PS2) 23,000 units
AIR (DC) 50,407 units
AIR (PS2) 19,974 units
Mizuiro (PS2) 9,400 units

Assuming that the licensing fee issues could be worked out (a large ask, granted), I wouldn't be disinclined to believe that something like an all ages version of Air could sell a respectable proportion of at least the PS2 figures. Leaving giants like Aquaplus out of the equation for the moment, surely if some makers see fit to license a port into that kind of market, licensing into western markets wouldn't be out of the question?

EDIT: Now fixed

Haeleth
2005-06-01, 03:37
There are some factors I don't think you're taking into account, though.

One is that the Western press already has an opinion on AVG-type games, which it trots out every so often. It doesn't like them. Even when talking about games with no H content, like that Silent Hill AVG, the standard take is to marvel at those crazy Japanese. No matter how good the title chosen may be - even if it were AIR itself - the US press would either ignore the release or take great delight in giving it 0% scores ("the characters look deformed and if I wanted to read I'd buy a book and it's all porn anyway even if this IS the all-age version").

Another is that the most active Key-related bulletin board on the English-speaking net, that I know of, is not here but on a certain torrent site, where people gather to talk about how much they love these games that they pirate. Sales figures are not going to be increased by the culture of theft among Western "fans". Ask any anime distributor how much they reckon they lose to fansubbers some time...

Finally, there's the problem that the Japanese makers themselves aren't interested in the Western market. How many of their sites have notices on the front page saying "no access permitted from outside Japan" these days...?

It's not an impossible situation, sure. Just very, very tricky. Personally I'd think the best bet would be a subscription-based model - get real western fans to chip in towards the cost of licensing and publishing a decent bishoujo game, and then share back any profits that may result. But are there enough fans with enough disposable income? How many of us could risk losing $10k or so?

<small>BTW, I think you mean PS2 for that Tokimemo 3 figure.</small>

AstCd2
2005-06-01, 04:42
There are some factors I don't think you're taking into account, though.

One is that the Western press already has an opinion on AVG-type games, which it trots out every so often. It doesn't like them. Even when talking about games with no H content, like that Silent Hill AVG, the standard take is to marvel at those crazy Japanese. No matter how good the title chosen may be - even if it were AIR itself - the US press would either ignore the release or take great delight in giving it 0% scores ("the characters look deformed and if I wanted to read I'd buy a book and it's all porn anyway even if this IS the all-age version").

Perhaps I'm being idealistic in saying so, but I like to think that regardless of the what the major PC gaming publications might believe and say (if anything), the anime/manga-related media sources which reach much of the potential market over in the West would have something approximating the appropriate frame of mind in which to review these games fairly.

The renai game industry and the fan following it attracts is a regular mainstream media whipping boy in Japan, too, but the media targeted at these fans seems to evaluate them free of the usual stigmas attached. I'd be hesitant in asserting that the West has anything near the cultural 'infrastructure' in place for these games, and the primary audience for at least the earlier conversions will inevitably have to be fans 'in the know', but I do think there's room for a gradual change in attitudes, beginning with these industry specific publications.


Another is that the most active Key-related bulletin board on the English-speaking net, that I know of, is not here but on a certain torrent site, where people gather to talk about how much they love these games that they pirate. Sales figures are not going to be increased by the culture of theft among Western "fans". Ask any anime distributor how much they reckon they lose to fansubbers some time...


This is true. Piracy is a worse problem here in the West than in Japan. All that I can suggest is that a console release might make them harder to pirate (one of the reasons Aquaplus elected to put out To Heart 2 (http://www.roflol.net/meow/konomi-tan.jpg) on the PS2 first, I suspect), though that'd cut into the sales for people without the console, as well as embroil us in a whole different pot of licensing problems with console companies.


Finally, there's the problem that the Japanese makers themselves aren't interested in the Western market. How many of their sites have notices on the front page saying "no access permitted from outside Japan" these days...?

I haven't seen such notices on renai game studio pages before myself (I've just taken another quick look through the most popular ones, but I wasn't able to find any - at any rate, they're certainly not blocking Western IPs), though I do find that many sites these days have "Sorry, this page is Japanese only" notices on them. This isn't the same as them providing an English translation, of course, but it does demonstrate at least an awareness that the rest of the world exists. I wouldn't contest the fact that most game companies don't actively seek to expand, but a proposal from a Western company framed in the correct terms may well be accepted.

Of course, whether a Western company would be willing to make the sort of offer necessary for this to work is indeed questionable, and as I've previously conceded, there's nothing of value I can add on that front.


It's not an impossible situation, sure. Just very, very tricky. Personally I'd think the best bet would be a subscription-based model - get real western fans to chip in towards the cost of licensing and publishing a decent bishoujo game, and then share back any profits that may result. But are there enough fans with enough disposable income? How many of us could risk losing $10k or so?

The idea of a subscription model (perhaps even as some kind of trust or incorporated entity) of licensing is interesting, but again, I suppose the viability goes back to what the companies are asking and how many fans are willing to invest in the project. In the interests of figuring out exactly how feasible this sort of thing really is, I'd love to hear what the established Western licensor companies are saying (or have said) on this, particularly in regards to the giants of the industry.

At any rate, I don't intend to trot the entirety of the old licensing arguments back out of the closet, but I do think (unjustifiably, perhaps?) it exciting that a possibility exists, and a larger one than I had previously imagined, at that.


<small>BTW, I think you mean PS2 for that Tokimemo 3 figure.</small>

<small>That'll teach me for mindlessly copy-pasting.</small>

EDIT: Link fixed

Soulfang
2005-06-01, 05:10
This is just coming from memory, but isn't there something on Type-Moon's page about them not wanting overseas users?

AstCd2
2005-06-01, 05:19
I've had a look, but if it's there, I can't see it.

For reference, I re-checked:
Key/Visual Arts (http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/)
Leaf/Aquaplus (http://leaf.aquaplus.co.jp/)
Type-Moon.com (Business) (http://www.typemoon.com)
Type-Moon.org (Doujin) (http://www.typemoon.org)
F & C (http://fandc.co.jp/)
Circus (http://circus.nandemo.gr.jp/)
Age (http://age-soft.co.jp/)
Nekoneko (http://www.din.or.jp/~nekoneko/)
Minori (http://www.minori.ph/default.html)

Interestingly enough, Minori has a notice saying:
<span title="The contents of this site are primarily geared towards those who are capable of understanding Japanese to a certain degree"> 本サイトのコンテンツは、基本的に日本語をある程度理解できる方向けに構成されています</a>

zalas
2005-06-01, 09:31
By the way, at the Broccoli panel at Fanime, we asked the industry rep about Galaxy Angel, and they said someone at E3 told them they'd be bringing it over, and the announcement would be made at Otakon. When asked about whether it'll be the PS2 or PC version, the rep said that Sony USA has this thing against games that are not 3D. Go figure.

AstCd2
2005-06-01, 09:52
It's only speculation at this point, of course, but is it perhaps related to this?
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/pressrelease.php?id=1044

Slipgate
2005-06-01, 09:55
Not 3D? Well, Gradius V is 3-d modeled but definitely not 3-D gameplay... Mega Man Anniversary Collection is 2D, etc.

(shrugs)

Haeleth
2005-06-01, 10:04
An official GA localisation? That would be interesting. Something like that would have a much better chance of succeeding, and might well be able to serve as a "gateway drug", if you'll pardon the metaphor.

If nothing else, it would finally give English fans something to counter that damn "bishoujo means hentai" meme.

Perhaps I'm being idealistic in saying so, but I like to think that regardless of the what the major PC gaming publications might believe and say (if anything), the anime/manga-related media sources which reach much of the potential market over in the West would have something approximating the appropriate frame of mind in which to review these games fairly.
Good point... I guess I was thinking of people going for too mainstream an audience. Many of my other comments are similarly flawed. Teach me to post without thinking. :(

I haven't seen such notices on renai game studio pages before myself...
Er, yeah, I'm getting mixed up with myself again. I've been trawling non-major not-particularly-ren'ai ones recently in search of demos. An example of the kind of thing I have in mind is OPTiM's page, which has a variant of the usual click-through entry page with the text
日本国外からアクセスの方と、18才未満の方のこれ以上のアクセスはご遠慮ください。
Access from Japan outside is forbidden.Although, you're right, they're not mainstream even among bishoujo game makers - and don't go so far as to block non-Japanese IPs.

zalas
2005-06-01, 12:05
It's only speculation at this point, of course, but is it perhaps related to this?
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/pressrelease.php?id=1044
Unfortunately, the GA game isn't based on an anime title. It was developed with the anime and manga at the same time as part of Broccoli's whole Project GA thing (which they said was an attempt to do Sakura Taisen in Space). However, judging by the amateur press release, I wouldn't be surprised if they got some facts wrong.
I for one, am looking forward to the GA game, and I'm going to be VERY disappointed if there's problems in the localization.

Nanatuha
2005-06-02, 07:01
...plus Leaf/Aquaplus, being kind of established and having vast catalogues of hugely popular titles, are not likely to be the sort of company to risk their reputation on a license for an apparently non-existent market, at least not for a fee anything short of extortionate.

Not exactry. Actually Leaf is the one of rare companies which published their in X-box, btw X-box's sales have been tragic in Japan, and the only one bishoujo-game company which made a handheld game machine as far as I know. They have (or had?) certainly gambler's blood.

I agree about that they are seeming not to have a mind to overseas advance as far.

gp32
2005-06-02, 07:07
They have (or had?) certainly gambler's blood.

I agree about that they are seeming not to have a mind to overseas advance as far.
Okay, so I'm reading this as something like: they may have gambling spirit in them, but unlike some of their heroines, they're clearly not suicidal.

kouryuu
2005-06-02, 20:28
An official GA localisation? That would be interesting. Something like that would have a much better chance of succeeding, and might well be able to serve as a "gateway drug", if you'll pardon the metaphor.


Well I haven't really kept up with Galaxy Angel myself, but If they port It to the states, I'll have to pick it up myself to put in my $60 worth of "Hey, people want these games, bring more!"

Nanatuha
2005-06-03, 04:22
They have (or had?) certainly gambler's blood.

I agree about that they are seeming not to have a mind to overseas advance as far.
Okay, so I'm reading this as something like: they may have gambling spirit in them, but unlike some of their heroines, they're clearly not suicidal.
Thanks for a proper interpretation. I did a silly literal translation. orz


* very off topic *

Btw, I recalled something to ask. May I ask someone to send a message to )here (http://donut.parodius.com/mo/)'s "ass hair" thread, please? I want to tell, "Please check explanation as "SHIRI no ke (or SHIRIGE) made nukareru on some dictionary.". It a bit slow response though.
My IP addres has refused so I can't see and write there by myself. (I just can see from my office for some reason)

AstCd2
2005-06-03, 04:49
Not exactry. Actually Leaf is the one of rare companies which published their in X-box, btw X-box's sales have been tragic in Japan, and the only one bishoujo-game company which made a handheld game machine as far as I know. They have (or had?) certainly gambler's blood.

I agree about that they are seeming not to have a mind to overseas advance as far.

Tenerezza was mostly the Aquaplus management's idea, wasn't it?
Surely not even Shimokawa-shachou would have been mad enough to release an X-box game in Japan.

Of course, there's no excuse at all for Piece...

Nanatuha
2005-06-03, 06:14
Maybe, I don't know detail about inside affairs. And it's a early game to X-box so I suppose they hadn't anticipated that X-box did sell hardly.

Nanatuha
2005-06-06, 07:09
Thanks Haeleth. :)

AstCd2
2005-06-26, 07:14
Fresh from MP Diary:

TYPE-MOON「Fate/stay night」アニメ企画進行中。

監督:山口祐司
アニメーション制作:スタジオディーン
衛宮士郎:杉山紀彰
アーチャー:諏訪部順一
セイバー:川澄綾子
遠坂凛:植田佳奈
間桐桜:下屋則子
藤ねえ:伊藤美紀
言峰綺礼:中田譲治

Confirmation of the TV series, as well as the actors (notably Kawasumi Ayako as Saber).

kouryuu
2005-06-26, 10:13
ummm... for those of us who can't read the kanji, would you be kind enough to translate the rest of the cast?

GreatSaintLouis
2005-06-26, 10:34
Wasn't there supposed to be a preview of the anime at some event being held today (6/26)?

Haeleth
2005-06-26, 12:02
ummm... for those of us who can't read the kanji, would you be kind enough to translate the rest of the cast?
Director: Yuuji Yamaguchi
Animation studio: Studio Deen
Shirou Emiya: Noriaki Sugiyama
Archer: Jun'ichi Suwabe
Saber: Ayako Kawasumi
Rin Tohsaka: Kana Ueda
Sakura Matou: Noriko Shitaya
Fuji-nee: Miki Itou
Kirei Kotomine: Jouji Nakata*

* Such a shame his name is read that way. For a moment I thought they'd hired the infamous 中田氏...

kouryuu
2005-06-26, 13:05
thanks a lot!

I'm looking forward to seeing Archer, and how Ayako's going to handle Saber now.

zalas
2005-06-26, 13:18
Kana Ueda and Ayako Kawasumi... mmmm, tho at least from what I played (the prologue), it didn't seem like Kana Ueda would be the type of person to voice Rin :/

gp32
2005-06-26, 13:19
Just as long as we don't imagine Saber going "ecchi na no ha ikenai to omoimasu", I think we'll be fine ...

AstCd2
2005-06-26, 21:54
Wasn't there supposed to be a preview of the anime at some event being held today (6/26)?

There was.
A translation of the rest of the article:

"For the footage, they had a weary-looking Rin sitting on a bus, the first meeting between Archer and Rin (the room's a mess), a showdown between Shirou and Lancer, Archer vs Berserker, a conversation at the church between Kotomine Kirei, Shirou and Rin, and finally, the scene where Saber asks Shirou 'the question'. The trailer concludes with an irritated Fuji-nee. As could be expected from promotional footage, the quality was high; at any rate, there was more motion than the Game OP."


Just as long as we don't imagine Saber going "ecchi na no ha ikenai to omoimasu", I think we'll be fine ...
                                御主人様
Lends new meaning to 問おう、貴方が私のマスターか, doesn't it? =3


* Such a shame his name is read that way. For a moment I thought they'd hired the infamous 中田氏...
And I'm the one who gets accused of having a dirty mind... =P

zalas
2005-06-27, 02:22
Great, now I'm having images of Saber throwing away Shirou's H-doujinshi...

Haeleth
2005-06-27, 04:17
Maybe that's how she'll replenish her power in the absence of ecchi?

And I'm the one who gets accused of having a dirty mind...
How else would you have recognised what I was talking about? :P

gp32
2005-06-27, 07:59
                                御主人様
Lends new meaning to 問おう、貴方が私のマスターか, doesn't it? =3

Saberomatic ~もっと百合もの~

Maybe that's how she'll replenish her power in the absence of ecchi?
That would be really quite preferable to what actually happens in-game, don't you think? -_-

GreatSaintLouis
2005-06-27, 12:18
What are the odds that Geneon or someone else in the event posted a video stream of the anime footage? I'm sure excited to see what it will look like!

Nanatuha
2005-06-28, 05:17
あー、くそう。実に美味しそうなエロトークになっているというのに、Fate未体験だからねっとりと話に絡めないではないかっ。口惜しや。

これはもう早急にFateやらCLANNADやらを購入してセイバーのポニーテールにハァハァしたり、芽衣ちんの両おさげにハァハァするべきであろうか。噂のご主人様プレイは凄いですか?凄すぎますか!? ああだがしかし。既に現在進行形でランス6のリズナちゃんの個人特訓にハァハァしながら、TTSLの有森先輩に対する羞恥責めにハァハァしながら、Katamari DamacyのThe King of All Cosmosから頂く容赦ない言葉責めにハァハァしながら、あまつさえThe CHRONICLES of NARNIAのPollyお手手つなぎにまでハァハァしてるこの私はどうすればいいのだ!? 1日に30時間ぐらい下さい神様。(←英語勉強しなさい)

(゜Д゜) おあぉーん。 *howling in endless desire*

Haeleth
2005-06-28, 05:55
For those hopelessly intrigued by the lack of translation above, the basic drift of Nanatuha-san's post is "I wish I'd played this game so I could join in with the discussion."

(それまで隠すつもりがあったらごめんなさい!)

これはもう早急にFateやらCLANNADやらを購入してセイバーのポニーテールにハァハァしたり、芽衣ちんの両おさげにハァハァするべきであろうか。
・・・髪型フェチ? なら、ことみちゃんも可愛い髪飾りを持ちます。

In any case, if you really haven't played them yet, you really should.
英語勉強なんか忘れて早くエロゲーをしたら全然ダメ!

AstCd2
2005-06-28, 06:20
<span title="Censored.">あー、くそう。実に美味しそうなエロトークになっているというのに、Fate未体験だからねっとりと話に絡めないではないかっ。口惜しや。

これはもう早急にFateやらCLANNADやらを購入してセイバーのポニーテールにハァハァしたり、芽衣ちんの両おさげにハァハァするべきであろうか。噂のご主人様プレイは凄いですか?凄すぎますか!?

ィ㌔!
ちなみに、髪型が好きなら葉の東鳩2もやるべし。
ねこみみ髪型とかがあってたまn(ry

Nanatuha
2005-06-28, 07:41
For those hopelessly intruiged by the lack of translation above, the basic drift of Nanatuha-san's post is "I wish I'd played this game so I could join in with the discussion."

(それまで隠すつもりがあったらごめんなさい!)

いや、煩悩のあまり脳が日本猿に退化しただけだから無問題(笑)
My bad. I scamped it and that that was too a bit hentai to translate. (゜Д゜) hahaha.


・・・髪型フェチ? なら、ことみちゃんも可愛い髪飾りを持ちます。
いやいや。セイバー嬢の場合、まとめてる髪も絶品ですが、
それによって見えるうなじのラインもまた劣情をですな…(censored again.)


ィ㌔!
ちなみに、髪型が好きなら葉の東鳩2もやるべし。
ねこみみ髪型とかがあってたまn(ry
素敵ゲームの山の前にそろそろ悶え死にそうです。
ていうか、東鳩の追い討ちまでするかアナタは(笑)

Haeleth
2005-06-28, 09:50
いやいや。セイバー嬢の場合、まとめてる髪も絶品ですが、
それによって見えるうなじのラインもまた劣情をですな…
って、項フェチ? ((;゚Д゚)

・・・つっても、確かに可愛いといえば可愛いですね・・・

Anyway, let's hope they do the anime well. That will save people who haven't played the game from 奈須きのこ's truly dreadful prose. (Assuming you can find the hairstyles sufficiently ハアハア的 to compensate for the removal of, uh, you-know-what. ;)

GreatSaintLouis
2005-06-28, 12:54
That will save people who haven't played the game from 奈須きのこ's truly dreadful prose.
Hahaha, you too? I had originally wanted to get a copy of the game because I liked Insani's demo translation and thought the character designs were pretty neat, but now between you and gp32, I'm driven to get it just to see how awful the writing truly is. ^_^

Haeleth
2005-06-28, 13:07
There are actually some rather good moments. The action scenes are pretty good, and some of the dialogue is very readable (藤ねえ大好き~). But Nasu-sensei seems not to be able to resist exposition, so every once in a while you'll find yourself reading through three or four pages of dense and technical explanations of some relatively minor issue, like the functioning of a particular spell, or the theory of summoning. My favourite example, which you may well have seen me cite before, is the point towards the end of the first scenario where the story is placed on hold while a particularly convoluted plot point is explained - with diagrams.

That said, it's actually a very good game, and well worth playing if you like the genre (though some of the adult scenes are pretty gratuitous). And Nasu-sensei isn't the worst bishoujo game writer around, though that's not saying much...

GreatSaintLouis
2005-06-28, 13:39
So he's a Japanese Tom Clancey or Dan Brown.

Gp32 has told me about a few of the gratuitious moments (or, in the example he cited, ridiculously unnessicary moments), which are normally enough to cause me to balk at a purchase, but like I said - I enjoyed the trial enough that I think I could look past those issues.

However, F/SN has been replaced by Hanihani at the top of my 'VN games to buy over the summer' list, so that should count for something, right? ;)

Spiritsnare
2005-07-02, 18:19
The anime has been pre-licensed as of Anime Expo 2005 by Geneon. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6951)

There go the fansubs.

gp32
2005-07-02, 18:20
There go the fansubs.
Thank god.

GreatSaintLouis
2005-07-03, 00:37
That was quick on Geneon's part. Hopefully this will strike some sort of initiative among various anime distributors and we'll start seeing more English releases hot on the heels of the Japanese release.

Or maybe someone will notice that eroge-based anime have a decent following here and eventually pick up the Kanon and Air animes or the Air theatrical feature?

Nanatuha
2005-07-03, 03:13
Fate/stay night has not found anywhere!! ^^;

Is it harassment or something what shops are always displaying a large amount of Fake (http://www.witch.gr.jp/game/fake/02/index.htm) at a shelf of row F !?
... May I compromise on a Fetish something or other next to it yet?

Probably I can find out the game in Akihabara, but I may dries up and become a mummy if I go to the city in mid summer. No way. ;p


Or maybe someone will notice that eroge-based anime have a decent following here and eventually pick up the Kanon and Air animes or the Air theatrical feature?
Because the reputation is pretty good, Air of TV might be promising.

Haeleth
2005-07-03, 05:10
Fate/stay night has not found anywhere!! ^^;
[...]
... May I compromise on a Fetish something or other next to it yet?
ダメダメ、ちゃんとFateしなきゃいけませんよ!

Amazon have it... if you don't mind the postman finding out what sort of game you play. :P

Spiritsnare
2005-07-03, 06:39
Because the reputation is pretty good, Air of TV might be promising.

Yeah, that's the hopeful license on my list because of its popularity. And hopefully with that, they might be introduced to Kanon.

I wouldn't be surprised if the AIR movie didn't hit the States, though...

kouryuu
2005-07-03, 09:55
There go the fansubs.

I don't know... I'd be willing to bet SOMEONE will sub it. It just means it won't be easy to find.

Unless of course Geneon is going to be kind to us, and pull a simultaneous release. but then that would be asking too much now wouldn't it.

Nanatuha
2005-07-04, 05:52
I've finally yielded to pressure. Thank you for pushing me.


☆☆☆  [Fate]ヽ(゜Д゜)ノΨ got it!  ☆☆☆


Feminine voice training is perfect, too!

gp32
2005-07-04, 09:31
I've finally yielded to pressure. Thank you for pushing me.
よし、これでナナツハさんもねこみみモード♪

Spiritsnare
2005-07-04, 10:50
ねこみみモード♪

If I'm reading the kana correctly, what's Cat Ears Mode supposed to be?

hir
2005-07-04, 16:13
That's an OP song for Tsukuyomi anime.

But did anyone in Fate wear nekomimi?

gp32
2005-07-05, 01:11
But did anyone in Fate wear nekomimi?
My reference was to the fact that for a while, the TYPE-MOON homepage had a picture of Rin with cat ears, going "ねこみみ~ ねこみみモードです~" with a very embarrassed look on her face, and a very perplexed Archer looking on.

Nanatuha
2005-07-05, 07:01
| A A
|(゜Д゜) <span title ="No one wears such embarassing stuffs!">だ、誰がそんな恥ずかしい格好をするかっ!</span>  …ねこみみモード♪

kouryuu
2005-07-05, 08:17
| A A
|(^_^)

two words regarding ねこみみモード:

sig, avatar.

Stranger
2005-07-06, 01:06
wow, even "Beyond the Clouds" didn't get licensed before the release date. This makes wander about the quilty of the anime and the story.

The only bad thing here is that we will have to *WAIT* for ages before we can get the English subed release (still can't stomach the differince between the English dialog and the Japanese one).

One of the things I love about the fansub is the similartes between the Japanese dialog and the subing, espicaly keeping suffix in the Japanese forum. Butttt... I guess that is the differince between translating and localizing.

HisuiIBMPower4
2005-07-10, 02:19
To me this is not a good news.R1 is expensive and R2 is more expensive.should wait years until r3 come out.During that time I can only watch crap chinese fansub with RMVB quality

Stranger
2005-07-10, 10:04
aaaa.... what is R1, R2 and R3?!, do you mean the region of the dvd?!. if so, why the heck is there a difference in price per-region?! (quit ignorant about this since most of my DVD come from Amazon).

Spiritsnare
2005-07-10, 13:19
| A A
|(^_^)

two words regarding ねこみみモード:

sig, avatar.

But the great part about your avatar isn't the ねこみみ, it's Ohno-san <3

Haeleth
2005-07-10, 13:50
aaaa.... what is R1, R2 and R3?!, do you mean the region of the dvd?!. if so, why the heck is there a difference in price per-region?!
Yes, R1 is region 1 (US/Canada), R2 is region 2 (Europe and Japan), and so on.

As for the price differences, those are pretty much the entire reason for having a region system in the first place. The different economies in places like China and India (stuff has to be cheap or nobody can afford it) or Europe and Japan (stuff sells even if it's ridiculously expensive) mean that the companies want to be able to control prices around the world, and that's difficult to do in this age of international commerce, so they introduced regions in a desperate and doomed attempt to stop free trade from triumphing.

Valkyrie
2005-07-11, 02:09
that seems evil...somehow. =.="

Spiritsnare
2005-07-11, 08:24
However, there are such things as region-free DVD players, so...

Hikari Tsukishiro
2005-07-11, 08:39
What would you suggest for a good brand for a region free player?

Eden
2005-07-11, 09:15
What would you suggest for a good brand for a region free player?

Not GO VIDEO. At least with one of their DVD players, they advertise it as multi region, which to them means you can change the region if you track down the code to do so.

The Yamada DVX-6600 is what I use, which doesn't require searching for or using a code and also plays DivX files among other things.

Saying that, if you mean good brand, as in one of the well known established brands, like Sony. I've not see any region free players by bigger brands.

kouryuu
2005-07-11, 10:01
But the great part about your avatar isn't the ねこみみ, it's Ohno-san <3

It is indeed all about the great Ohno-sama and her love of cosplay ^_^
<3. The ねこみみ just makes everything cuter. ^_^

GreatSaintLouis
2005-07-11, 12:32
Although I dislike the quality and sometimes dodginess of software DVD players, a DVD-ROM drive on a PC is able to change the region of software it's allowed to read. However, there is usually a certain number of times you're allowed to change the region code (usually 5) before the drive is locked permanently into the last region code you selected. However, for many of the models there exists a good deal of software designed to either set the drive as region-free or reset the amount of region changes remaining, so if you already have a DVD player and don't want to purchase another specifically for movies from other regions, this is a cheap alternative.

And no, I have no idea what sort of twisted idiot thought up that scheme for changing regions, either.

Spiritsnare
2005-07-11, 16:58
But the great part about your avatar isn't the ねこみみ, it's Ohno-san <3

It is indeed all about the great Ohno-sama and her love of cosplay ^_^
<3. The ねこみみ just makes everything cuter. ^_^

Now only if she would put them on her heaaaad~~ <3

kouryuu
2005-07-13, 16:29
Now only if she would put them on her heaaaad~~ <3

Ah, A man can dream.... or request Doujin from his friends! ^_^

but slightly back to topic: Why I hate elitsts:

A guy i know alluded to having seen the Trailer. I know for a fact he hasn't been to a Con that showed it, so this leads me to believe its out somewhere now?

however the only response he gives me: Don't worry about it.

Spiritsnare
2005-07-13, 17:55
A guy i know alluded to having seen the Trailer. I know for a fact he hasn't been to a Con that showed it, so this leads me to believe its out somewhere now?

Someone might have recorded it at Expo and uploaded it online, so that's a possibility now.

Unless this was pre-AX.

darklegion
2005-07-13, 19:52
Although I dislike the quality and sometimes dodginess of software DVD players, a DVD-ROM drive on a PC is able to change the region of software it's allowed to read. However, there is usually a certain number of times you're allowed to change the region code (usually 5) before the drive is locked permanently into the last region code you selected. However, for many of the models there exists a good deal of software designed to either set the drive as region-free or reset the amount of region changes remaining, so if you already have a DVD player and don't want to purchase another specifically for movies from other regions, this is a cheap alternative.

And no, I have no idea what sort of twisted idiot thought up that scheme for changing regions, either.

Most DVD-ROM drives (especially DVD-+RW drives) can be flashed with hacked region-free firmware.Also I'm pretty certain that MPlayer and VLC bypass the region protections altogether,so if you fear trying a firmware flash than either of those (among others) should do the job.

zalas
2005-07-14, 00:25
A guy i know alluded to having seen the Trailer. I know for a fact he hasn't been to a Con that showed it, so this leads me to believe its out somewhere now?

Someone might have recorded it at Expo and uploaded it online, so that's a possibility now.

Unless this was pre-AX.
Well, they were being kind of tight about not allowing photography at the Geneon Anime thing, though definitely not as tight as the Maaya concert. It would've been funny if one of the video ops leaked it haha. Oh by the way, there are screencaps of the trailer available in one of the issues of Newtype, so he might be thinking of that.

Maceart
2005-08-02, 18:27
There goes the fansubs

Sure thing. When an anime is that hyped, I highly doubt that.

S9 for Erementar, those countless groups out there pissing ADV off...

zalas
2005-08-03, 02:49
But the overall level of fansub translation quality would drop ^^; Granted... there would've probably been a lot of crappy groups doing FSN if it wasn't licensed anyway haha.

zalas
2005-08-14, 01:28
*bump* promo DVD coming this fall :D
Source: http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20050813

kouryuu
2005-08-14, 05:44
sweet. now the question lies in how will we get our hands on it..... surely not through the internet?

zalas
2005-08-20, 18:07
It'll probably end up on CDJapan and Amazon, just like the Tsukihime promo DVD. By the way, moonphase (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20050820) reports now that Fate/stay night anime will air on Chiba TV starting in January of 2006.

zalas
2005-09-28, 23:56
*bump*
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20050928

There seems to be more information about the anime, gleaned from interviews with some of the staff. If I'm reading this correctly, they'll be gleaning the most charming parts from the other scenarios, but will be mainly focused on the main scenario?

Donut
2005-09-29, 04:01
I hope they don't make it to fast paced as they did with the Tsukihime series then. 12 episodes were a bit tigth I must say. That's what I felt. I havn't played Fate/Stay Night. for the first I'll have to wait an eternety for it to come from Japan and then as many other game's. I can't read what it says *cries*.

Nanatuha
2005-09-29, 04:43
*bump*
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20050928

There seems to be more information about the anime, gleaned from interviews with some of the staff. If I'm reading this correctly, they'll be gleaning the most charming parts from the other scenarios, but will be mainly focused on the main scenario?
Or focus on orthodox story. By the way which do you call the main scenario, first or second?
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kouryuu
2005-10-01, 17:03
Or focus on orthodox story. By the way which do you call the main scenario, first or second?
<strike>Which Tiger gym scenario is it?</strike>

Main Scenario would be the Fate Scenario correct? rather than UBW or Heaven's Feel.

Moeru
2005-10-06, 06:54
Personally, I'd hope to see UBW as a TV run. From what I've read in summaries, it seems more dramatic near the end. My language skills are *cough* far from ready to tackle any game. Fate and Tsukihime most of all ;_;

kouryuu
2005-10-06, 12:01
Personally, I'd hope to see UBW as a TV run. From what I've read in summaries, it seems more dramatic near the end. My language skills are *cough* far from ready to tackle any game. Fate and Tsukihime most of all ;_;

I must admit I'm with you on both sides. From what I've read it seems like the UBW or Heaven's feel scenario would make for much better series, although UBW might be a better choice if they want it to grow mainstream.

New
2005-10-31, 01:31
*Bump, due to a rise of personal interest in this new series, which I will be buying when it is completed*

Most likely, I'll bet it'll be like AIR, and do the three Scenarios in a row, or somehow make them fit together. Or, maybe, they'll pick one. Possiblility that it'll be three different chapters or something. I think it'll be like AIR, though.

Long, technical explainations about magic in totally misplaced areas? I'd play it. :D

kouryuu
2005-10-31, 04:57
... they couldn't possibly do all 3 scenarios.... mainly because the final event plays out VERY differently in each scenario....

AstCd2
2006-01-06, 02:00
http://www.moonphase.cc/
MP quietly announces that Fate is headed to the PS2, presumably in a form featuring more voices and less contrived sex-scenes. Details in the February issue of Comptiq.

GreatSaintLouis
2006-01-06, 03:25
Hey, this is pretty welcome news! All of the story and none of the unanimously abhored H-scenes. I kindof wonder how easy it would be to port the game back over to the PC - it would be neat if the PS2 version uses some adaptation of KiriKiri (a la early Dreamcast titles that ran on a modified NScripter). Don't mind my idle speculation...

And speak of Fate, does anyone have any news as to what happened to the US release of the anime series? When a Geneon does something as unprecedented as snagging US rights the minute the anime series is announced in Japan, you'd think they'd be kind enough to at least give the English-speaking audiences some sort of idea when we can see DVDs for sale here, instead of just ignoring it as the Japanese hype machine roars to life and the episodes start airing. Even something as obtuse as "We'll start work on the English version when the series is half over" or "Late 2006" would help - it would mean they've at least thought about an English release. Otherwise, it's hard to shake the feeling that they're just sitting on the license for a rainy day.

Varion
2006-01-06, 21:36
GreatSaintLouis - Considering they pre-licensed Shakugan no Shana, and that's now 13 episodes in without a word about a release date, I can't see anything appearing for Fate any time soon.

zalas
2006-01-07, 17:05
I'm not going to expect release date announcements for this until at least a good number of R2 DVDs have already come out... Except for long series, has any R1 DVD come out before the R2 set was fully released?

kouryuu
2006-01-07, 20:42
Thats probably due to differences in price. Region coding aside, I'm sure it be much more financially fit to import the US DVDs than buy the R2s.

Which is probably why R1s take so long to release. the japanese companies want to secure home sales?

Spiritsnare
2006-01-07, 20:55
Hey, this is pretty welcome news! All of the story and none of the unanimously abhored H-scenes.

If it were indeed this way, we'd be taking the ero out of eroge in the first place. ;)

Kouryuu: R1s have the addition of dubbing and, sometimes, resynching to the dubbed parts (Fruits Basket is a VERY good example of seperate sub and dub voice synch modes), plus the small addition of making a new logo. ;) So of course R1s are going to end up coming out later.

K
2006-01-07, 21:03
On the other hand, if they were just ge, someone might think they were yaoi.

zalas
2006-01-07, 22:41
K, we have to issue a restraining order for you because you have caused too many cymbals and drums to break.

GreatSaintLouis
2006-01-07, 23:50
Hey, this is pretty welcome news! All of the story and none of the unanimously abhored H-scenes.

If it were indeed this way, we'd be taking the ero out of eroge in the first place. ;)

I honestly like the genre for the stories, not for the sex that usually manage to creep into the games. According to some, games of the genre CAN have meaningful sex scenes (I disagree, but that's neither here nor there); but aside from the usual 'OMG PR0N!11' types, I've heard very few reports from serious fans of the genre regarding the H elements in F/SN that didn't include adjectives like 'gratuitious' or 'unnessicary'.

kouryuu
2006-01-08, 00:08
now... im not the expert on this by far... but i think thats because they are....
IMPORTANT BATTLE! *pause* we have to racharge mana with gratuitous sex involves a two female threesome!

... i think TYPEMOON just threw the H in there to appeal to the H-game crowd as that was their main audience anyways. Tsukihime, at least from the anime... the sex seemed to have a minor meaning. note the use of minor.

GreatSaintLouis
2006-01-08, 02:35
Tsukihime, at least from the anime... the sex seemed to have a minor meaning. note the use of minor.

L-loli? Σ(˚Д˚)

kouryuu
2006-01-08, 08:16
L-loli? Σ(˚Д˚)

O.o ... I was under the impression that Tsukihime didn't even HAVE a jailbait lolli character you could hook up with.... unless Ren i suppose....

GreatSaintLouis
2006-01-08, 12:38
I was just questioning your use of minor, which you said to note.

2006-01-09, 09:00
L-loli? Σ(˚Д˚)

O.o ... I was under the impression that Tsukihime didn't even HAVE a jailbait lolli character you could hook up with.... unless Ren i suppose....

Only Ren really.

2006-01-10, 07:31
Hmm, if anyone is interrested in looking at ep1, it's available on fansub.
Looks pretty darn interresting, i'll definatly buy the DVD's when they come out.

l|ammamama
2006-01-10, 07:33
Please refrain from discussing liscensed fansubs ^^
As an aside: since subs of licensed shows not only infringe copyrights (like all fansubs), but also violate the basic ethical principles of fan translation, I would appreciate it if people who choose to watch the show with the help of such things didn't mention it here.