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Keisuke
2005-04-23, 08:51
All right.

-20 questions.
-any questions will be accepted


Answer:
55f9935cf2fb98070c7d529f096668e3

Hint:
- Kanon, Air, and One

PS: I've changed the spelling of the answer code a little to prevent hacking...

Haeleth
2005-04-23, 09:03
Question: Does it appear in at least one event CG, from the subset common to both all-age and adult versions?

Keisuke
2005-04-23, 09:06
Question: Does it appear in at least one event CG, from the subset common to both all-age and adult versions?

Will it be okay for me to seperate your question?

1) Does it appear in at least one event CG? - Yes
2) -from the subset common to both all-age and adult versions? - No

Hint 1- Kanon, Air, and One

Haeleth
2005-04-23, 09:20
Yes... I think the extra information makes that well worth using up two questions over. A few vague ideas begin to form...

emperor
2005-04-23, 11:24
The answer is mosaic. This might not contain a questionmark but you may consider it an official question.

Haeleth
2005-04-23, 14:50
Since there's no way you could be certain of that answer from the two clues available (they don't even require it to be a common feature of more than one H scene), I can only conclude that either you're not certain of it - in which case, please phrase it as a question - or you used your MD5 cracker program again. Don't you think that's, like, kind of missing the point of the game?

Keisuke
2005-04-23, 14:58
He probably did used the program or he is a genious.

Well, I give up.

The answer is Mosaic.

emperor
2005-04-23, 14:59
Well there could always be a rule against it, and who did suggest the MD5? Am I abusing trust? Cheating? What the reason for the existance for the md5 sum but due to distrust, distrust that the person asking the question might cheat? Is that distrust necessary? Is the MD5 sum necessary? It's not remotely necessary, but it gets written anyways, even with the thought in mind that it can be abused. Doesn't this truely ask for abusage? Well can achieving the mission using a non-forbidden way, which is the most efficient, be called abusage? No it's not, I feel no guilt.

Keisuke
2005-04-23, 15:13
First of all, WE NEVER CALLED you a CHEATER, nor We said you cheated.
We were just wondering if you used the device or not. I have a no idea why you were so offended by it.

Well, you just said everything by yourself after it anyway.

Also, if you use the device, like Haeleth said, "Don't you think that's, like, kind of missing the point of the game?"

emperor
2005-04-23, 15:30
The point of the game is as always fulfill the mission. It was fulfilled. Am I offended? I am "offended" by the mere existance of the distrust that requires the md5 sum. It's necessary as a certain thing giving people a bit of a secure feeling that the creator does not cheat. And as long as the audience, the players or how you may call them "win", or fulfill the mission, however you want to call it, nobody cares about it. Would anybody care now that the md5 for mosiac is not the md5 above? No. We have an unnecessary security measure, which is, as long as it turns out that the mission is fulfilld, simply disregarded, and therefore does not exist due to reasons of being proper, if one was one would check even after a success, but rather as a "if the game master cheats we will find out so he won't dare" kind of thing.

Haeleth
2005-04-23, 15:57
If you want to discuss the philosophy of gaming, feel free. The question of whether victory or participation is more important is a big one, which you've obviously thought about, and its application to "games" like AIR where the level of participation and the possibility of victory are equally questionable could be quite interesting.

As that is not the topic of this thread, however, I would rather that sort of discussion took place in a different one.

Let's try another round. Fifteen questions, usual field and rules. The MD5 sum of the answer - provided voluntarily as a token of trust - is 816e4f8cb2bb0bfeb06ccb68656041a5.

Oh, and for an opening hint, I'll add that the answer is not an English word.

Keisuke
2005-04-23, 16:26
Question

Is it a physical object?

Haeleth
2005-04-23, 16:34
Is it a physical object?
Yes.

K
2005-04-23, 20:20
Uh, this is obviously not an official question, but out of curiosity, what exactly is the point of the MD5 anyway? The game seems just as playable without it.

Anyhow, as an official question...

Is it soft or hard? (If the question has to be yes/no then "Is it soft?" will suffice in its place.)

Misu
2005-04-23, 22:12
The infamous breadbox question ^^;;.....

Is it bigger than a breadbox?

AstCd2
2005-04-23, 22:14
Uh, this is obviously not an official question, but out of curiosity, what exactly is the point of the MD5 anyway? The game seems just as playable without it.

The md5 is a (somewhat redundant) carry over from the Tripcodes in the 2ch version of the game, where it also served the purpose of identifying the question setter.

[EDIT]
Uwah~... pre-empted on the breadbox question by seconds!
But wouldn't microwave be better, given the ambiguous dimensions of your average breadbox?

New
2005-04-24, 02:40
Cause you can fit NAYUKI in a breadbox, for god's sake...

Is it in Kanon?

EDIT: Scratch that last question; has it been translated in Haeleth's patch?

And what's this Mosaic thing?

Nanatuha
2005-04-24, 02:44
I... Is the answer more devilish than the loli-convenience store? (this isn't actual question :p)

AstCd2
2005-04-24, 03:02
Cause you can fit NAYUKI in a breadbox, for god's sake...


Going by the breadboxes that I've seen for sale? Not without the assistance of a very sharp knife.


And what's this Mosaic thing?

Mosaics are a way of censoring parts of images by scrambling their components into a fuzzy mess. You can often see them in 18+ images from Japan, where pornography censorship laws apply, and depictions of criminals on television in jurisdictions where their identities can't be revealed.

Haeleth
2005-04-24, 03:11
I... Is the answer more devilish than the loli-convenience store? (this isn't actual question :p)
It's not meant to be. ;)

Is it soft?
I can't be 100% certain, but the balance of probabilities says Yes.

Is it bigger than a breadbox?
I can answer this one unambiguously for all realistic breadboxes: the answer is No.

Has it been translated in Haeleth's patch?
Yes, it appears in the translated part of Kanon.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.

zalas
2005-04-24, 03:25
The MD5 is there so that you don't change the actual answer after you think of it, I think.

AstCd2
2005-04-24, 03:34
Question
Is it an item owned by one of the five main heroines?

Haeleth
2005-04-24, 03:46
No.

<flamebait>It doesn't belong to Nayuki either.</flamebait>

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.

zalas
2005-04-24, 03:53
Is it organic?

Haeleth
2005-04-24, 03:54
Yes.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.

Nanatuha
2005-04-24, 04:38
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
The flame of hope have been extinguished. The possibility that they are some heroine's boobs ... No! I didn't say anything! I beg a thousand pardons!

AstCd2
2005-04-24, 05:03
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
The flame of hope have been extinguished. The possibility that they are some heroine's boobs ... No! I didn't say anything! I beg a thousand pardon!

      _   +
   「`Y´    ヽ   ☆+/ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄\
  └ァ!ミ!ノノ))) 〉+/ |                                    |
    ん|l !l.^ヮ゚ノ! / < あははーっ!舞のおっぱいは佐祐理のものですけどね♥|
      !⊂)卯 つ’   |                                     |
     ノ!|くんh〉リ   |                                     |
      ' し'ノ  ___\_______________________/

Spiritsnare
2005-04-24, 07:24
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
The flame of hope have been extinguished. The possibility that they are some heroine's boobs ... No! I didn't say anything! I beg a thousand pardon!

      _   +
   「`Y´    ヽ   ☆+/ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄\
  └ァ!ミ!ノノ))) 〉+/ |                                    |
    ん|l !l.^ヮ゚ノ! / < あははーっ!舞のおっぱいは佐祐理のものですけどね♥|
      !⊂)卯 つ’   |                                     |
     ノ!|くんh〉リ   |                                     |
      ' し'ノ  ___\_______________________/

Who gets Sayuri, then? ::hopeful::

Haeleth
2005-04-24, 07:37
The flame of hope have been extinguished.
It still might be an exciting part of someone's body. Nobody's ruled out Sayuri, Amano, or Kaori yet... or Akiko-san. ;)

あははーっ!舞のおっぱいは佐祐理のものですけどね♥
......

Who gets Sayuri, then?
No.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
7. Who gets Sayuri? No.

...wait, that was an official question, right? :p

Keisuke
2005-04-24, 09:03
Question:
http://www.myimgs.com/data/PKIM/tako.jpg

Who gets Sayuri, then? ::hopeful::

Me! ;)
*Changes to Sayuri avatar for the first time.*

Haeleth
2005-04-24, 09:09
Did you want to ask that as a question, or were you just taking the opportunity to use a picture? I wouldn't advise using a question that way - that tako-san wiener looks to me like it's owned by Mai, so the answer to question 5 may be relevant...

*Changes to Sayuri avatar for the first time.*
佐祐理 「佐祐理も・・・はじめてのことですから・・・やさしく・・・してください・・・」

Keisuke
2005-04-24, 10:43
*Changes to Sayuri avatar for the first time.*
佐祐理 「佐祐理も・・・はじめてのことですから・・・やさしく・・・してください・・・」

LoL XP

Well, yes, that was the question because it is Sayuri(who is not one of 5 Kanon girls) who cooks Tako-san... Also, I don't think Mai ever "owned" Tako-san in the game.

All right, I won't ask questions like that anymore.

Nanatuha
2005-04-24, 13:58
Question:

Does it have feet?


EDIT: ぎゃー。いくらなんでもその基礎単語忘れるか? だからGoogle先生は複数系の"foots"を示さなかったんかー!(笑)

Haeleth
2005-04-24, 14:08
Does it have feet?
No.

でも、おっぱいも足がないでしょう?(笑

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
<strike>7. Who gets Sayuri? No.</strike>
7. Has feet? No.

K
2005-04-24, 14:09
Is it edible?

Haeleth
2005-04-24, 14:21
Is it edible?
You didn't define what you mean by "edible", so I'll pick a meaning for you: the question I'll answer is "would any of the characters in the game consider eating it?"

The answer is no.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
7. Has feet? No.
8. Considered edible? No.

Keisuke
2005-04-24, 14:46
Can it be purchased in real life?

zalas
2005-04-24, 14:58
Is this something that is owned by any named character in the game at some point?

Haeleth
2005-04-24, 15:07
Can it be purchased in real life?
Not literally. Figuratively, possibly, though I've not been able to find any examples myself.

Is this something that is owned by any named character in the game at some point?
Yes.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
7. Has feet? No.
8. Considered edible? No.
9. Purchasable in real life? No.
10. Owned by a named character? Yes.

Keisuke
2005-04-24, 16:09
10. Owned by a named character? Yes.

Discussion
Characters with a name in Kanon besides main 5 heroins.

- Akiko
- Sayuri
- Kaori
- Kitagawa
- Kuze
- Mishio
- Keropi(?)

Are there any more people with a name?

Spiritsnare
2005-04-24, 16:55
question: Does the owner of the object go to the school in which Yuuichi goes to?

Note that I mean school. Not "school".

discussion: If NO, I vote jam.

AstCd2
2005-04-24, 17:31
Are there any more people with a name?

Kazuya, Ishibashi, and Saitou, none of whom own much.

Discussion
I'm beginning to suspect it's Mishio's novel.

Spiritsnare
2005-04-24, 18:23
Discussion: Novels are organic?

AstCd2
2005-04-24, 18:24
Discussion
I'm assuming that Haeleth's including paper as organic, given that he did so for the sketchbook.

Spiritsnare
2005-04-24, 18:48
discussion
And here I was overlooking that non-edible part in thinking of the Jam...

AstCd2
2005-04-24, 19:27
Discussion
I'm sure at least Akiko considers it edible, but there ought to be no cause to hesitate in answering whether it's soft or not if it was jam.

2005-04-24, 19:31
discussion
And here I was overlooking that non-edible part in thinking of the Jam...Akiko obviously thinks it edible. She's a good character, she wouldn't try to feed her daughter unedible food.

K
2005-04-24, 20:57
It could be a body part.

AstCd2
2005-04-24, 22:15
Discussion
On second thought, scratch the novel idea. You can buy those.

As dangerous as this proved last time, I think a summary might be helpful to focus our thoughts:

We're looking for a soft, organic but non-living (given it has no feet) and inedible object that's smaller than a breadbox.
The object is not literally purchasable, but is owned by a named non-heroine character in the translated part of Kanon.
It has a non-English name, though we can't presume it's Japanese either.

P.S
Let's not forget that Yuuichi is a named character too.

Haeleth
2005-04-25, 01:52
question: Does the owner of the object go to the school in which Yuuichi goes to?
Yes.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
7. Has feet? No.
8. Considered edible? No.
9. Purchasable in real life? No.
10. Owned by a named character? Yes.
11. Named character attends Yuuichi's school? Yes.

Hint: the answer's owner is really rather attached to this.

AstCd2
2005-04-25, 01:56
Hint: the answer's owner is really rather attached to this.

Discussion
I'm so very tempted to ask if it's a body part, but surely there aren't any body parts that have no English name... are there?

Our hit list is now down to:

Kitagawa
Kaori
Sayuri
Kuze
Mishio
Ishibashi/Saitou

Haeleth
2005-04-25, 06:20
nunc dicaui quod responsum non uerbum anglicum est
sed sicut uerbum esse non importat nominem habere
sic nominem habere non uerbum esse importat

Spiritsnare
2005-04-25, 06:23
Discussion


Discussion
I'm so very tempted to ask if it's a body part, but surely there aren't any body parts that have no English name... are there?

Our hit list is now down to:

Kitagawa
Kaori
Sayuri
Kuze
Mishio
Ishibashi/Saitou

They [the italicized people] don't really 'have' anything in the game, right?

K
2005-04-25, 10:10
Except their body parts :P

New
2005-04-25, 10:15
Yes, but the main heroines have 'em too.

*Kicks Haeleth in the shins for his little Nayuki crack* OK, I feel better now.

Maybe Kitagawa's uniform?

Misu
2005-04-25, 10:37
Discusion:
Well, haeleth said it was not literally purchasable (which you could argue the exact uniform Kitagawa wears you wouldnt be able to find in Japan), but you could probably find a cosplay of the uniform, and haeleth did say he couldnt think of any examples of the item being able to be purchased, so I dont think its Kitagawa's uniform.

New
2005-04-25, 10:40
Arguably, people would have to be able to purchase it in Japan.. and somehow, Kitigawa Cosplay doesn't seem like a marketable idea.

Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

>:( @ Haeleth for Nayuki bashing. XD

Haeleth
2005-04-25, 10:56
>:( @ Haeleth for Nayuki bashing. XD
I didn't bash her! I just don't think she's one of the five main heroines, who are obviously Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Sayuri, and Akiko-san. ;)

New
2005-04-25, 10:58
>:( @ Haeleth for Nayuki bashing. XD
I didn't bash her! I just don't think she's one of the five main heroines, who are obviously Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Sayuri, and Akiko-san. ;)

But you don't sleep with Akiko-San, you sleep with Nayuki.

Or at least, I HOPE you don't sleep with Akiko-San. That's kinda illegal or something.

Keisuke
2005-04-25, 11:13
Please use this thread if you would like to talk about your precious Nayuki. (http://forums.haeleth.net/viewtopic.php?t=212&start=80&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Haeleth
2005-04-25, 11:16
Ehehe, sorry. Didn't mean to derail the thread like that. ^^;

New
2005-04-25, 11:19
Please use this thread if you would like to talk about your precious Nayuki. (http://forums.haeleth.net/viewtopic.php?t=212&start=80&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Or better yet, this one. :D (http://forums.haeleth.net/viewtopic.php?t=215)

Anyways.

Kuze owns glasses, I believe. And since none of the heroines have glasses...

I can't remember if Sand is the crunched up bones of dead animals or grounded rocks. But technically, if it's the former, glasses becomes a valid option.

And medals to the first person to photoshop Nayuki in stylish glasses.

Keisuke
2005-04-25, 11:22
Please use this thread if you would like to talk about your precious Nayuki. (http://forums.haeleth.net/viewtopic.php?t=212&start=80&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Or better yet, this one. :D (http://forums.haeleth.net/viewtopic.php?t=215)


Dude, If you know, then don't go off topic like you did moment ago =P

Ehehe, sorry. Didn't mean to derail the thread like that. ^^;

*Feels EXTREMELY WEIRD after seeing this.*

Haeleth
2005-04-25, 11:23
And medals to the first person to photoshop Nayuki in stylish glasses.
It's been done. (http://homepage2.nifty.com/utee/icon/megane_kanon/icons_megane_kanon.html) ;)

K
2005-04-25, 11:28
No. These are MORE stylish.

http://img17.paintedover.com/uploads/17/nayugeek.jpg

Discussion:
Do you suppose it has to have no English equivalent? Because if so, "glasses" doesn't work either.

Otherwise, it could be a body part :P

New
2005-04-25, 11:32
No. These are MORE stylish.

http://img17.paintedover.com/uploads/17/nayugeek.jpg

Discussion:
Do you suppose it has to have no English equivalent? Because if so, "glasses" doesn't work either.

Otherwise, it could be a body part :P

*SmackPOW*

=_=+

Not a body part. The Heroines have bodyparts, too.

K
2005-04-25, 11:34
Then obviously it's a body part girls don't have. It could be Kitagawa's genitalia.

New
2005-04-25, 11:36
...........


But that has an english name.

K
2005-04-25, 12:58
True that.

So what organic object with no English name could a non-heroine character in Yuuichi's school own and be attached to?

Haeleth
2005-04-25, 13:13
Alas, that ever classical learning should vanish so utterly from the land...

GreatSaintLouis
2005-04-25, 13:49
Discussion
That classical learning comment made me think - though the object has no English name, could it still possibly be found and recognized by English speakers - possibly something that retains it's original Latin name, for example?

Also, what does everyone think about asking if said item is an article of clothing or something wearable? It's just something we haven't tried yet...

New
2005-04-25, 16:46
But what do the characters wear that isn't able to be named in Eigo?

rodan
2005-04-25, 19:44
More importantly, what do the characters wear that's ORGANIC?
Piro?
Nah, Makoto owns him, and he has legs...


great.

New
2005-04-25, 21:27
More importantly, what do the characters wear that's ORGANIC?


Clothing. A huge amount of clothes are made of Cotton, and that has to be picked. What, did you think that it just appeared from the ground? Cotton is picked from plants.

Makopii
2005-04-26, 09:59
That classical learning comment made me think - though the object has no English name, could it still possibly be found and recognized by English speakers - possibly something that retains it's original Latin name, for example?
Isn't it probably a reference to that stuff in latin he posted before?
nunc dicaui quod responsum non uerbum anglicum est
sed sicut uerbum esse non importat nominem habere
sic nominem habere non uerbum esse importat
I can't read it all, I think it's somehting about "names aren't the same as words." So maybe the thing can be named in english, but the answer just isn't an english word by itself?

rodan.
2005-04-26, 13:33
Polyester is artificial...:p
I know what cotton is! I live in Texas, honestly!

What I meant was, what do they wear that's organic and not nameable in English.

Meaning, is there some material that is organic but not English?
I can name some non-English clothes, but how many definately MUST be made of organic material, and cannot be substituted for nylon, polyester, rubber, plastic or any other number of artificial products?

New
2005-04-26, 15:53
Polyester is artificial...:p
I know what cotton is! I live in Texas, honestly!

What I meant was, what do they wear that's organic and not nameable in English.

Meaning, is there some material that is organic but not English?
I can name some non-English clothes, but how many definately MUST be made of organic material, and cannot be substituted for nylon, polyester, rubber, plastic or any other number of artificial products?

I think you're taking it a bit too deep here.

Stranger
2005-04-27, 01:49
o.O!!!
this is going no where,

qustion: is it wearable?!

Haeleth
2005-04-27, 05:12
question: is it wearable?!
I certainly wouldn't want to try.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
7. Has feet? No.
8. Considered edible? No.
9. Purchasable in real life? No.
10. Owned by a named character? Yes.
11. Named character attends Yuuichi's school? Yes.
12. Wearable? No.

Hint: Makopii is right, my first hint did not mean that the thing in question does not have an English name.

AstCd2
2005-04-27, 05:17
Just goes to show how much good two years of high school Latin did me.
Could Haeleth be on his way to achieving the first ever win for the question setters?

Let's clear this one up once and for all.

Question
Is it part of a character's body?

Haeleth
2005-04-27, 05:49
Is it part of a character's body?
Yes.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
7. Has feet? No.
8. Considered edible? No.
9. Purchasable in real life? No.
10. Owned by a named character? Yes.
11. Named character attends Yuuichi's school? Yes.
12. Wearable? No.
13. Part of a character's body? Yes.

AstCd2
2005-04-27, 06:02
Discussion:
To summarize: A body part belonging to a non-heroine attending Yuuichi's school, which has a non-English name (apart from any English name it may have).

It's going to take a miracle and a half for us to work out who the body part belongs to (let alone what it is) within just two questions... Anyone up for some wild guesses?

Haeleth
2005-04-27, 06:19
Come, it can't be that hard, can it? It has, by the rules we established at the very beginning, to be something that actually appears in the game, is mentioned in the game, or is otherwise well known among fans of the game. So I don't think it's giving anything away to say that it's nothing like "Kuze's left big toe", which I doubt has even starred in any obscure doujinshi.

Unless there are Kuze/Kitagawa foot-fetish yaoi doujins out there. (And if there are, I really don't want to know, okay?)

So I'm sure you can narrow it down enough in two questions to be able to make a pretty good stab at a final answer.

emperor
2005-04-27, 06:42
Discussion:
How about somebody taking the extracted script and searching for a few words in it. Just to give a few:
鼻 hana
足 ashi
腕 ude
頭//上 atama/kashira//kami
髪 kami
目 me
口 kuchi
頬hoho hoe
指yubi
親指 oyayubi
中指 nakayubi chuushi
薬指 かすり指 kusuriyubi
人差し指 人指し指 hitosashiyubi
小指 koyubi
耳 mimi
ユウイチノインケイ yuuichinoinkei
腹 お腹 hara onaka
背中 senaka
舌 shita
首 kubi
足の指 ashinoyubi
つま先 爪先 tsumasaki
踵 かかと kakato
足首 ashikubi
サユリノムネ sayurinomune
膝 hiza
胸 mune
爪 tsume
手 te
掌 手のひら tenohira
肘 ひじ hiji
腕 ude
肩 kata
顎 あご ago
咽 喉 のど nodo
歯 ha
唇 kuchibiru
まつ毛 睫 睫毛 matsuge
瞼 まぶた mabuta
眉 まゆ mayu
額 hitai
顔 kao
Though since a few result in too many words it would take an eternity, and this is not even something which doesn't have an english word, though assuming there is no english word for it is kinda strange though. If it wasn't translateable I'm sure it would be in a translation note.

GreatSaintLouis
2005-04-27, 08:50
Am I the only one having problems imagining something that would be found in the All-Ages edition as well as the 18+?? Maybe I'm just a bit simple-minded... -_-

Does anyone else think that clairifying the type of the game the object is in could help??

Or are there REALLY not that many other male-specific body parts? O_o

K
2005-04-27, 12:13
Unless there are Kuze/Kitagawa foot-fetish yaoi doujins out there. (And if there are, I really don't want to know, okay?)
Oh sure there is! If you want to see it just click here (http://www.youareanidiot.tk/) :P

Stranger
2005-04-27, 21:51
discussion: <strike>me already thinking in the line of 4-bits!</strike>

or maybe the qustion should be... is the body part visiable to the public while wearing normal clothing?! (although normal clothing will need to be defined when talking about females)

neo-kun
2005-04-27, 22:06
k: ive seen a better verson of that "you are an idiot" site where the site moves around and pops up a message box if you hit "ctrl" "alt" or "delete" and spawns an army of mini ones if you close it

Haeleth
2005-04-27, 23:46
You guys never cease to astonish me. The things you seem to think I'm obsessed with... O_O

Stranger
2005-04-28, 00:17
discusion: o.O!!!, me wander what would the rection be if I was thinking in 8-bits and talked about the byte that the teacher got from the stray dog.

discusion: alright then, how about asking if the body part is apprent in any of the CGs?! or to narrow it even fearther, is it owned by a male or female student?! (me now thinking about hair)

P.S. sorry about the 4-bit comment, didn't expect it to offend.

Keisuke
2005-04-28, 00:31
Oh sure there is! If you want to see it just click here (http://www.youareanidiot.tk/) :P

If I ever see something like THAT again, I will lock this thread.

AstCd2
2005-04-28, 02:46
Discussion
How's this for an approach?
1. Is it part of a limb?
2. Is it part of the character's head?

FA. Is it character ____'s _____?

I figure that once we isolate the area the body part is located in, it ought to be possible to narrow down the character, given that it's supposedly part of a recognisable scene.

Nanatuha
2005-04-28, 03:11
*talking nonsense*

How about "are they near most of our houses, too?" ;)

AstCd2
2005-04-28, 06:22
Guess I'll move things along, then.

Question
Is the body part one of the constituents of a limb?

Haeleth
2005-04-28, 06:33
Is the body part one of the constituents of a limb?
No.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
7. Has feet? No.
8. Considered edible? No.
9. Purchasable in real life? No.
10. Owned by a named character? Yes.
11. Named character attends Yuuichi's school? Yes.
12. Wearable? No.
13. Part of a character's body? Yes.
14. Out on a limb? No.

How about "are they near most of our houses, too?" ;)
おお、するど~い・・・

Valkyrie
2005-04-28, 06:33
Discussion: Maybe we could ask if it belongs to a male or female character? We cld narrow the search angle down quite a bit...

AstCd2
2005-04-28, 06:51
How about "are they near most of our houses, too?" ;)

すみませんが、意味がよくわかりませんでした。^^;
お役に立つ提案のようですが、もう少し詳しく説明してもらえないでしょうか?


Maybe we could ask if it belongs to a male or female character?


I'm afraid I can't recall any of the male characters having scenes that put emphasis on their body parts... but then again, I'm almost as blank for the female characters. Does anyone have any particular body part scenes in mind at all?

Nanatuha
2005-04-28, 08:12
How about "are they near most of our houses, too?" ;)

すみませんが、意味がよくわかりませんでした。^^;
お役に立つ提案のようですが、もう少し詳しく説明してもらえないでしょうか?



My question is wicked one. ^^;

Two things are actuality different, these I said (they are inorganic) and haeleth's question. However both have a same name. It's a metaphor.

ADD: And, knowledge about Japanese isn't necessary.

Stranger
2005-04-28, 21:26
discusion... mouth?!... people keep puting food there, so it must be somewhere in the dialog.. right?! or may be when Yuuchi tryed to punch the (ROT13 (http://tools.geht.net/rot13.html)) "gur fghqrag pbhapyr thl" (although... is the mouth cosidered a limb?!)

can't remember an incedent that include a talk about someone's hair, so I don't think that is it.

and I don't understand the hint.... have an English name, but the Japanese name does not translate to English?!... but isn't that what everything is?!

Nanatuha
2005-04-29, 02:03
To Stranger

(;゚Д゚) there !!!

AstCd2
2005-04-29, 02:17
To Stranger

(;゚Д゚) there !!!

ひらめいたぞっ!
「表」ですよね?

Question
Is it Yuuichi's face (or rather, lack of one)?

Haeleth
2005-04-29, 02:47
Is it Yuuichi's face (or rather, lack of one)?
*sighs with relief*

For a moment there I was afraid you were going to get it. No, it's not Yuuichi's face.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
7. Has feet? No.
8. Considered edible? No.
9. Purchasable in real life? No.
10. Owned by a named character? Yes.
11. Named character attends Yuuichi's school? Yes.
12. Wearable? No.
13. Part of a character's body? Yes.
14. Out on a limb? No.
15. Yuuichi's face? No.

You're down to your final answer. What will you pick?

Final super-amazing-utter-giveaway hint <small>(not really)</small>: I don't remember it being mentioned in the text, but it is visible in the game and often commented on by Kanon fans.

Stranger
2005-04-29, 11:40
discusion: if it is alright with everyone, it can be the eye of the male student in the seat next to Nayuki-sama (the cg of her in the class)

any other idea?!

P.S. in the same CG, the girl with the red ribon looks fimiler

kouryuu
2005-04-29, 13:21
*sighs with relief*

For a moment there I was afraid you were going to get it. No, it's not Yuuichi's face.

1. Physical object? Yes.
2. Soft? Yes.
3. Bigger than a breadbox? No.
4. In the translated part of Kanon? Yes.
5. Owned by Shiori, Mai, Ayu, Makoto, or Nayuki? No.
6. Organic? Yes.
7. Has feet? No.
8. Considered edible? No.
9. Purchasable in real life? No.
10. Owned by a named character? Yes.
11. Named character attends Yuuichi's school? Yes.
12. Wearable? No.
13. Part of a character's body? Yes.
14. Out on a limb? No.
15. Yuuichi's face? No.

You're down to your final answer. What will you pick?

Final super-amazing-utter-giveaway hint <small>(not really)</small>: I don't remember it being mentioned in the text, but it is visible in the game and often commented on by Kanon fans.

discussion :p if it weren't for 11 i'd say the evil jam!

--edit-- just read earlier posts, realized jam was already discussed. But it could still be one of the minor characters breasts :) (Kaori, Sayuri) ;)--end edit--

Spiritsnare [unlogged in]
2005-04-29, 13:49
discussion | But do anyone really "own" their breasts? Or does anyone own another person's breasts in Kanon?

kouryuu
2005-04-29, 14:03
discussion don't know about kanon, but my some of my friends have established clear ownership of these areas :)

Quote: I claim this left breast in the name of Jess! :End quote

and yes, jess is not the girl who's breast he was referring to.

hee hee silly little friends.

New
2005-04-29, 21:08
discusion: if it is alright with everyone, it can be the eye of the male student in the seat next to Nayuki-sama (the cg of her in the class)

any other idea?!

P.S. in the same CG, the girl with the red ribon looks fimiler

"Named" character?

kouryuu
2005-04-29, 21:20
discussion I'm thinking it belongs to either Kaori, Kitagawa or Sayuri. What do each of them own, that is considered a part of the body and not a limb? anyone know what item is commented on as much as the jam?

AstCd2
2005-04-30, 04:51
Apologies for the lack of translation of the earlier exchange with Nanatuha, but it seems from Haeleth's reaction that the body part may be one associated with the face.

Characters
- As Kuze isn't visible at all, we can effectively rule him out.

- Ishibashi arguably turns up in the background (I'm not sure whether that's actually him, as the guy is there even when the class is presumably not being taught by Ishibashi), but again, apart from his facelessness, he really has no distinguishing physical characteristics either.

This leaves us with:
Kitagawa
Sayuri
Kaori
Mishio

kouryuu
2005-04-30, 12:59
discussion thats still leaves us with the question, what do either of those four own, that would be frequently commented on, similar to the jam?

Haeleth
2005-05-01, 15:56
It's looking like nobody has the faintest idea what the answer could be. It's a shame, because I did think Nanatuha might be onto it... but apparently not.

Yes, that is a heavy hint.

New
2005-05-02, 00:37
.... I give people a day. If not by then, I'm going to hazard Ishibashi's Face.

Nanatuha
2005-05-02, 00:47
Oops, I was away from my monitor for about two days. ^^; I ask the final question belatedly.


Question
Is it Kitagawa's pointed hair teased by Yuichi, aka antenna?

I too was completely forgetting such a petty setting until happen to see again.

Haeleth
2005-05-02, 01:21
Is it Kitagawa's pointed hair teased by Yuichi, aka antenna?
<big><big title="Congratulations, you win!">ご名答おめでとうございます~♪</big></big>

I thought you'd got it! It is indeed Kitagawa's antenna.

The md5 key was The spike of hair on Kitagawa's head - you will note that it is, as I said, not an English word. It's six English words and a Japanese name. :p

AstCd2
2005-05-02, 01:41
見事に被ったなw

Well played. The idea of the antenna did cross my mind, but it just didn't click with my interpretation of the clues to date.

Nanatuha
2005-05-02, 01:49
I studied the word it isn't difficult by haeleth means almost impossible in my dictionary. 難いわっ!!(笑)

(゚Д゚)ノ ⌒゜   * throw a snowball to haeleth (with stone) *

2005-05-02, 07:34
[quote=Nanatuha]
The md5 key was The spike of hair on Kitagawa's head - you will note that it is, as I said, not an English word. It's six English words and a Japanese name. :p

...

That is SO a BS hint.

So, Nanatuha gets the next word.

Haeleth
2005-05-02, 07:42
(゚Д゚)ノ ⌒゜   * throw a snowball to haeleth (with stone) *
A Shiori fan, eh?

* flees the country *

kouryuu
2005-05-02, 09:45
*develops an elaborate plot involing tofu and healeth in her sleep*

zalas
2005-05-04, 01:08
Looks like you guys finally got it ^^; To think it went on for so long <_<

Slipgate
2005-05-04, 09:54
If you knew what it was, why didn't you try for it?

Slipgate

AstCd2
2005-05-04, 14:15
More importantly, would anyone else care to try their hand at the next question? Anything to keep the thread moving ^^;

zalas
2005-05-04, 14:38
Actually I didn't know the answer, but I was reading this giant backlog and I had figured someone would've gotten the answer fairly early on ^^;

And we're all waiting for Nanatuha to make up a question, unless he relinquishes his privilege. I personally just thought of something, but I want to wait for him to say something. :)

Keisuke
2005-05-04, 16:32
Let's wait for one more day and if he doesn't post anything, zalas, you go ahead.

kouryuu
2005-05-04, 22:03
I've got an idea for one myself, but i don't know how to do the scripting to hide the answer.

Nanatuha
2005-05-05, 12:36
Did I make to wait everyone!? I'm sorry for late reply again.^^; Recently I'm not be able to reply every days so please start zalas.

I'll exercise the privilege when I give a correct answer again. :)

zalas
2005-05-06, 10:24
Okay, 20 questions. Hopefully this should be fairly easy. :)

MD5Sum: d97c69f15adefdf8e407cc54e0544ae2

Let's get at it :D

kouryuu
2005-05-06, 15:49
(The breadbox question! ^.^)

Is it bigger than a breadbox?

K
2005-05-06, 20:26
Is it organic?

New-Bie.
2005-05-07, 10:33
Is it from Kanon?

zalas
2005-05-07, 10:34
1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No

New
2005-05-07, 11:43
Is it from Air?

zalas
2005-05-07, 12:34
20 Questions Total

1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No
4. Is it from AIR? Yes
5. Was it shown on AIR TV eps 1-12,Summary? No
6. Is it Sora? No
7. Is it Potato? No

Nanatuha
2005-05-07, 13:51
Is it appear in Air TV animation? (except future broadcast)

Slipgate
2005-05-07, 14:42
Is it Sora?

Spiritsnare
2005-05-07, 18:28
Is it Potato?

kouryuu
2005-05-07, 20:09
discussion: all these rapid fire questions, are we really ready to start naming what we think the object is?

Slipgate
2005-05-07, 21:27
Discussion: Well, it was just that it was not bigger than a breadbox and was alive. That, I felt, narrowed it down a whole lot for me. But if I prove wrong I'll not make another question until I start having another good brainstorm on it.

AstCd2
2005-05-07, 21:46
Discussion
'Organic' doesn't necessarily mean alive.
Food is organic, as is wood. As seen in previous questions, organic has also been extended to things like paper and body parts.

Slipgate
2005-05-07, 22:14
That's true... well, I've asked it, so we may as well go with it. :P

AstCd2
2005-05-07, 23:19
Guess I'll bump the thread for zalas, now that he's answered (see above)

zalas: Just copy paste the list to a new post next time. If you don't specifically make a new post when answering questions, we won't know you updated! =P

New
2005-05-07, 23:59
I can't believe you guys posted questions like that after someone asked if it was in the TV episodes. I'd think that'd be common sense to wait until AFTER. That means it was in the game, but not in the show.

I haven't seen the show, nor have I played past CR's translation of Air, so I'm dropping out, since I'm useless. Just... try to keep in common sense.

Nanatuha
2005-05-08, 00:29
Well, I anticipated it should show in the animation. I could ask more nicely. The question that narrowed people who answers wasn't good.


Question

Is it a food?

zalas
2005-05-08, 02:28
To Ast-rin: I meant to hit 'quote' not 'edit' >,<

20 Questions Total

1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No
4. Is it from AIR? Yes
5. Was it shown on AIR TV eps 1-12,Summary? No
6. Is it Sora? No
7. Is it Potato? No
8. Is it a food? Yes

adun50
2005-05-08, 05:01
Question

is it a type of food that can be made at home?

zalas
2005-05-08, 11:36
20 Questions Total

1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No
4. Is it from AIR? Yes
5. Was it shown on AIR TV eps 1-12,Summary? No
6. Is it Sora? No
7. Is it Potato? No
8. Is it a food? Yes
9. Is it a food that can be made at home? Can? possibly for some homes, Likely? no

kouryuu
2005-05-08, 12:11
discussion that's an interesting hint, the way you answered that question... But I haven't played through the game, so its all up to you guys.

AstCd2
2005-05-08, 16:41
Discussion

Some food I can think of off the top of my head:

Bread
Peach Juice
Rice ball / Rice
Nagashi-soumen
Hamburger
Alcohol
Ice cream

[EDIT]
Uuu... that rules out just about everything above.

adun50
2005-05-08, 16:42
discussion

interesting, coz the way I see it is that you can only buy it, eg the juice, or something that can be made at home, eg, ramen. but from question 5 it does not appear in the anime at all.

kouryuu
2005-05-08, 20:14
discussion

Well if it can be made at home depending on who you are, its probably either
A)very expensive
B)very hard to make

New
2005-05-08, 20:39
Q: Is it cooked in the game and not in the shows?

zalas
2005-05-09, 02:03
By your question, I'm assuming you're asking if it is cooked in the game and not cooked in the show. Since it's not in the show at all, I don't see how I can answer that...

Nanatuha
2005-05-09, 07:28
By your question, I'm assuming you're asking if it is cooked in the game and not cooked in the show. Since it's not in the show at all, I don't see how I can answer that...

In this case, You can give a answer about it's cooked in the game or not, aren't you? because later sentence must be clear. I think that only a complete agreement becomes Yes. You can say No if they disagree even a part. (so questioner have to pay attension)

By the way, I've read zalas's text, "I'm assuming you're asking if it is cooked in the jam and not cooked in the snow." for some reason. Am I hungry or tired? XD



Well if it can be made at home depending on who you are, its probably either
A)very expensive
B)very hard to make

Discussion

The third possibility.
C)No one dare make

I mean ... the cicada flavored bacon and eggs. It appeared the show though.

I've given up the thought that it may be a watermelon, too. Well i can't remember other suspects.

zalas
2005-05-09, 10:00
Okay, based on Nanatuha's line of reasoning:

20 Questions Total

1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No
4. Is it from AIR? Yes
5. Was it shown on AIR TV eps 1-12,Summary? No
6. Is it Sora? No
7. Is it Potato? No
8. Is it a food? Yes
9. Is it a food that can be made at home? Can? possibly for some homes, Likely? no
10. Is it a cooked food? No

kouryuu
2005-05-09, 10:42
discussion ok, it seems to me its something bought then, but the juice is bought in the show? so what else is there?

Keisuke
2005-05-09, 20:07
Discussion

Some food I can think of off the top of my head:

Bread
Peach Juice
Rice ball / Rice
Nagashi-soumen
Hamburger
Alcohol
Ice cream

[EDIT]
Uuu... that rules out just about everything above.

Discussion:
How about Misuzu's birthday cake? Oh wait... That is bread.

Slipgate
2005-05-09, 20:27
Also, it's in the show.

Discussion: Any objections to asking if it's from an animal or a plant? (it's food, I mean) That might help us get closer to identification of what food it is.

kouryuu
2005-05-09, 20:54
discussion im not opposed

Slipgate
2005-05-10, 05:59
Official question: Is this food from an animal or a plant?

emperor
2005-05-10, 06:32
Official question: Is this food from an animal or a plant?
Too bad that only yes/no questions are allowed.

K
2005-05-10, 13:15
Well, we know it's food, so if you don't think too hard about artificial things, you could just ask whether its origin is a plant.

kouryuu
2005-05-10, 14:04
discussion but it seems to me plants can be used in any meal, so if you ask animal, you thereby elminate or confirm meat products, where as vegetable wise, you can have parsely beside your steak and that meal would have plant origins.

New
2005-05-10, 22:28
Official question: Is this food from an animal or a plant?
Too bad that only yes/no questions are allowed.

It's close enough; it's got two damn options.

AstCd2
2005-05-10, 22:38
Discussion
"Is this food from an animal or a plant?"[ie. Does this food belong to a category comprising of both animal and plants?"] is a perfectly legitimate yes/no question, though not perhaps the one you had in mind.

A narrower question would be either "Does this food contain a plant?" or "Does this food contain something from an animal?"

kouryuu
2005-05-11, 09:28
discussion I'd say lets ask if it comes from an animal, because there are many dishes that can be prepared using both, and if you ask plant and says yes, then you're still not sure if meat is an option. or you could ask both questions.

K
2005-05-11, 18:24
If it comes from an animal, you risk it being cheese or the like, though. So if you get an affirmative there, remember there are a few more possibilities.

Slipgate
2005-05-11, 18:35
If anyone's comfortable with asking the question, please do. I don't want to use up two questions and still end up with something we're scrabbling at.

kouryuu
2005-05-11, 18:50
Discussion proposed question:

Is meat a part of the food?

K
2005-05-11, 19:24
Perhaps we could ask if a vegetarian would eat it.

kouryuu
2005-05-11, 23:09
same question as mine really

AstCd2
2005-05-12, 00:03
Then let's go with that.

Question
Is one of the ingredients of this food meat?

zalas
2005-05-12, 00:39
20 Questions Total

1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No
4. Is it from AIR? Yes
5. Was it shown on AIR TV eps 1-12,Summary? No
6. Is it Sora? No
7. Is it Potato? No
8. Is it a food? Yes
9. Is it a food that can be made at home? Can? possibly for some homes, Likely? no
10. Is it a cooked food? No
11. Is meat part of the food? No

zalas
2005-05-22, 14:10
(;´д`)ノ
Oh no! The thread died!

AstCd2
2005-05-22, 15:41
Quick! Give us a hint!

zalas
2005-05-22, 16:11
Hint:

Said food is consumed in the very early parts of the DREAM scenario.

dgreater1
2005-05-22, 16:18
Is it from Mizusu's arc?

Haeleth
2005-05-22, 23:49
If it's in the "very early parts" of the scenario, it almost certainly comes from the common section before the arcs split, so I doubt that question is answerable.

How about "Is it related to Misuzu?" instead?

zalas
2005-05-23, 01:43
I'll wait for you guys to figure out a consensus on what question to ask before answering :3

adun50
2005-05-23, 05:04
discussion I'm going along the lines of the onigiri (rice ball). it has no meat and it appears early on in the DREAM scenario. though the answer to question 9 sorta makes it a trade off, since you can make these at home, though you can buy them.

Haeleth
2005-05-23, 05:59
discussion
I could have sworn that appeared in the TV anime. Checking ep.1 suggests I'm wrong and it doesn't. Question 9 could be referring to its size (it's unlikely anyone would make one that big).

The problem would be question 10, since I doubt it was made from raw rice. On the other hand it's likely what zalas' answer means is that it's not a hot food. I wouldn't naturally think of a sandwich as cooked, either, even though the bread's been baked.

AstCd2
2005-05-25, 07:40
Let's run with it.

Question
Is it the rice ball?

Discussion
I'm beginning to think it might be a food that is mentioned but not actually consumed.

Haeleth
2005-05-25, 10:51
Discussion
Keisuke's thought of another possibility - the kuriman that you can have Yukito try to steal from the Kamios' cupboard the day after he moves in there. I think they fit the criteria...

zalas
2005-05-26, 01:42
20 Questions Total

1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No
4. Is it from AIR? Yes
5. Was it shown on AIR TV eps 1-12,Summary? No
6. Is it Sora? No
7. Is it Potato? No
8. Is it a food? Yes
9. Is it a food that can be made at home? Can? possibly for some homes, Likely? no
10. Is it a cooked food? No
11. Is meat part of the food? No
12. Is it the giant rice ball? No
13. Is Misuzu present while it is being consumed? No
14. Is it a sweet food? Not really, unless you have a very loose definition of sweet

Hint: Said food is consumed in the very early parts of the DREAM scenario.

Haeleth
2005-05-26, 02:20
Discussion
We can't go on asking "is it X". Possible questions that could maybe provide hints might be "is Misuzu present when it is consumed" and "is it a sweet food"... anyone have strong objections, or shall I ask them?

AstCd2
2005-05-26, 02:41
Sounds like as good an option as any at this point. Let's consider it asked for now.

Haeleth
2005-05-26, 03:38
May as well be explicit...

Question: Is Misuzu present when it is consumed?
Question: Is it a sweet food?

Calthness
2005-05-26, 05:46
I haven't play to air (I don't have it afterall...) but I think that the solution can be the pink fruit juice that misuzu often drinks? (she uses the juice as a weapon in EFZ!)

Haeleth
2005-05-26, 05:48
Sadly that comes under "does it appear in the anime"...

Calthness
2005-05-26, 06:05
I haven't seen the anime too...
Then the juice appears in the anime...

zalas
2005-05-26, 11:55
Oops, edited instead of replied -.-;;

20 Questions Total

1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No
4. Is it from AIR? Yes
5. Was it shown on AIR TV eps 1-12,Summary? No
6. Is it Sora? No
7. Is it Potato? No
8. Is it a food? Yes
9. Is it a food that can be made at home? Can? possibly for some homes, Likely? no
10. Is it a cooked food? No
11. Is meat part of the food? No
12. Is it the giant rice ball? No
13. Is Misuzu present while it is being consumed? No
14. Is it a sweet food? Not really, unless you have a very loose definition of sweet

Hint: Said food is consumed in the very early parts of the DREAM scenario.

dgreater1
2005-05-26, 12:02
Is it the Ice Candy, Ice Popsicle that Yukito wants from the children?

though I don't think Ice Candy is a food :P

K
2005-05-26, 15:37
Wait, Ice Candy is probably sweet.

zalas
2005-05-31, 08:20
Since no one seems to have figured it out, let me give one more hint

20 Questions Total

1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No
4. Is it from AIR? Yes
5. Was it shown on AIR TV eps 1-12,Summary? No
6. Is it Sora? No
7. Is it Potato? No
8. Is it a food? Yes
9. Is it a food that can be made at home? Can? possibly for some homes, Likely? no
10. Is it a cooked food? No
11. Is meat part of the food? No
12. Is it the giant rice ball? No
13. Is Misuzu present while it is being consumed? No
14. Is it a sweet food? Not really, unless you have a very loose definition of sweet

Hint: Said food is consumed in the very early parts of the DREAM scenario.

Hint: Said food should not have been consumed by the character who consumed it in the game.

Haeleth
2005-05-31, 09:02
I still think we must be missing something.

Answer 13 rules out the kuriman, as well as most of the other food near the start of the game. Hint 2 rules out the ices (they're eaten by their rightful owners) and the chazuke Haruko makes Yukito on the first night after she catches him trying to steal food from the kitchen.

The juice Yukito tries to feed the kids might qualify, but I'm pretty sure that's sweet in the strict sense (so ruled out by answer 14).

One thing that bothers me is that the word "food" may be misleading us. I normally take it as meaning solid foods, but if zalas is evil, he may be using it of a liquid. Indeed, I have one in mind, namely the milk Yukito steals...

So, unless anyone objects before zalas notices the question:

Question: Is it a liquid?

Keisuke
2005-06-01, 06:20
One thing that bothers me is that the word "food" may be misleading us. I normally take it as meaning solid foods, but if zalas is evil, he may be using it of a liquid. Indeed, I have one in mind, namely the milk Yukito steals...


I can't believe that I forgot about that milk Yukito drank.

zalas
2005-06-01, 09:32
20 Questions Total

1. Is it bigger than a breadbox? No
2. Is it organic? Yes
3. Is it from Kanon? No
4. Is it from AIR? Yes
5. Was it shown on AIR TV eps 1-12,Summary? No
6. Is it Sora? No
7. Is it Potato? No
8. Is it a food? Yes
9. Is it a food that can be made at home? Can? possibly for some homes, Likely? no
10. Is it a cooked food? No
11. Is meat part of the food? No
12. Is it the giant rice ball? No
13. Is Misuzu present while it is being consumed? No
14. Is it a sweet food? Not really, unless you have a very loose definition of sweet
15. Is it a liquid? Yup

Hint: Said food is consumed in the very early parts of the DREAM scenario.

Hint: Said food should not have been consumed by the character who consumed it in the game.

AstCd2
2005-06-05, 00:44
もう…すこしで…ゴールだ!

Question
Is it milk?

zalas
2005-06-05, 18:29
ゴールっ
おめでとうございますパチパチパチ!

The answer is in fact the milk that Yukito inadvertently stole from the neighbor.

gyuunyuuuuuuuu~

Slipgate
2005-06-06, 05:39
Heh... I wish I could start one, but I might only be able to check in infrequently over the next few days and that might not be too fair :).

Nanatuha
2005-06-06, 07:10
Congratulations. I've conjectured that no drink in that world existed excepting sake and the peach juice. ;p

kouryuu
2005-06-06, 08:29
Well I have an idea if you'd like me to give it a try, but I'll yield if someone else wants to give it a shot.

--edit--
well, since its been almost twelve hours since this post now, and no one has responded, I'll give it another twelve, and if no one posts a new question, I'll post mine.

--end edit--

kouryuu
2005-06-07, 08:22
Ok, well Its been 24 hours, so unless anyone objects, I'll start our next question.

The MD5 of the answer:

84c068263f5e3e6c0db44ee02a386338

and for the hint, I'll take a page out of Haeleth's book:

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

Haeleth
2005-06-07, 08:31
I've MD5'd the less secure key you posted, to take away the temptation to apply the trivial crack to it. Hope you'll forgive me. ^^;

And a kickoff question: is it from Kanon?

kouryuu
2005-06-07, 09:00
I've MD5'd the less secure key you posted, to take away the temptation to apply the trivial crack to it. Hope you'll forgive me. ^^;

Thats more than welcome. I just used ROT13 cause that was the coder I could find/figure out V^^.

Is It from Kanon? No

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

Keisuke
2005-06-07, 20:37
Question: Hmmmmm.... Then is it from Air?

kouryuu
2005-06-08, 04:19
Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

AstCd2
2005-06-08, 04:27
Question
Is it a mechanical device?
[For avoidance of doubt, mechanical device includes robots, weapons, tools, and machine parts of any description. However, it does not include any object whose primary function does not involve the physical or electrical functioning of any machinery, such as a bottle of wine]

dgreater1
2005-06-08, 04:29
Question: Is it from Key/Visual Arts?

AstCd2
2005-06-08, 04:33
Question: Is it from Key/Visual Arts?

One of the ground rules is that the answer must recognisably relate to something from a Key game, so unless he's referring to One, Moon., or Dousei (all of which are of questionable legality in themselves), I'd say the answer would have to be from Planetarian (a game which the question setter has in fact admitted to playing in the past).

kouryuu
2005-06-08, 04:55
Question: Is it from Key/Visual Arts?
One of the ground rules is that the answer must recognizably relate to a Key game.

Yes, the fact that It's from a game by Key is a ground rule, so I'm not going to count that question, dgreater1.

Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No Is it a mechanical device? No <strike>Is it from Key/Visual Arts? Yes</strike>

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

AstCd2
2005-06-08, 05:07
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kouryuu
2005-06-08, 05:29
Well, the grammatical rules are a bit unclear, so you could concievably argue a yes, but I'm going to say, and argue it is not.

Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No Is it a mechanical device? No Is it a proper noun? No-ish

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

zalas
2005-06-10, 10:48
Since the answer isn't an English word, let's try to figure out what language it's from...

Q: Is the word from one of the European languages?

AstCd2
2005-06-10, 21:23
Discussion
I do wonder how useful the language clue really is, given the highly misleading and counterproductive way in which Haeleth used it =P.

kouryuu
2005-06-10, 23:36
and for the hint, I'll take a page out of Haeleth's book

To answer this one, difficult it is. Great care must I take in dealing with it.

Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No Is it a mechanical device? No Is it a proper noun? No-ish Is the word from one of the European Languages? yes-ish

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

AstCd2
2005-06-11, 00:09
Discussion
Yes-ish? Could you elaborate a bit on that?
Alternatively, you can always pass on it.

kouryuu
2005-06-11, 00:15
Discussion I would love to elaborate on it, however, to do so is impossible without supplying a vastly greater hint than the "-ish" already is. On that note. I'll emphasize my "-ish" responses a bit. and leave you with that. you may want to refer to the reasons/comments posted in regards to why they're "-ish".

Haeleth
2005-06-11, 02:05
I do wonder how useful the language clue really is, given the highly misleading and counterproductive way in which Haeleth used it =P.
Discussion
And he did say he was taking a page out of my book with that hint, which does rather imply t3h 3v1l.

kouryuu
2005-06-12, 21:02
Discussion
And he did say he was taking a page out of my book with that hint, which does rather imply t3h 3v1l.

Discussion: Well, the hint isn't quite as 3v1l as it was in your case. though its just as misleading. I'll add this for you guys to mull over, since this thread is getting little posts.

Remember those math problems. you know, those word problems. Where they gave you more information than necessary, useful or even relevant?

zalas
2005-06-14, 13:02
Discussion:
I'm starting to wonder if it's like some term in German which has become a proper noun in English...

Haeleth
2005-06-14, 13:46
Or a regular noun being used as a proper noun... like "Reverie" or "Junker", if we assume it's from planetarian.

Maybe we could narrow things down by checking whether it's the name of a person, robot, or other anthropomorphised entity? (The last being to catch "Jena", though I'd say that's a proper noun in all circumstances personally).

gp32
2005-06-14, 16:33
Discussion
Let's see. planetarian, eh ...

There are several non-English words to pop up in planetarian -- assuming that kouryuu's word is from planetarian at all, and assuming that my translated text is being used as the source (reason I'm saying this: if kouryuu is referring to the original Japanese source or to the Chinese translation, then the number of words it could be is radically reduced), but they're all bona fide proper nouns (i.e., one can make no possible grammatical argument that they are *not*):
- Menschenjager
- Atlas
- Andromeda
- Pegasus
- Cygnus
- Aquilia
- Lyra
- Ethiopia
- Perseus
- Zeiss
- Jena
- Mare Nectaris
- Dionysius

What if it's an acronym? Technically speaking, those aren't *words* per se, thus you could make an argument that they aren't really in English. A short list of acronyms I remember from planetarian:
- J&B
- Mk43L/e
- LERC
- CMOS
- CRT
- HE
- AP
- APC

kouryuu
2005-06-15, 23:47
^_^

glad to see my question is at least still being pondered.

kouryuu
2005-06-20, 22:09
*sigh*

my answer has been lost to the back burners. T.T and you guys were finally making real progress, so I didn't want to give another hint... that and it was only on question 5!

AstCd2
2005-06-21, 00:43
Question
Is it tangible?

2005-06-21, 08:55
Why don't we try to know which game it belongs to? Then concentrate on that game ~_^

Question: Is it from One?

Haeleth
2005-06-21, 10:13
Discussion
Overriding the Guest question briefly - in previous discussion we assumed it was from planetarian, maybe we should check that first?

kouryuu
2005-06-21, 21:40
Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No Is it a mechanical device? No Is it a proper noun? No-ish Is the word from one of the European Languages? yes-ish Is it tangible? No

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

in previous discussion we assumed it was from planetarian, maybe we should check that first?

Im going to neither confirm nor deny unless you ask a question. But I will restate what AstCd2 already said for those who have forgotten:

I'd say the answer would have to be from Planetarian (a game which the question setter has in fact admitted to playing in the past).

AstCd2
2005-06-21, 22:00
Edit:
To maximize the use of Haeleth's question, I'll withdraw this one until we receive an answer.

Haeleth
2005-06-22, 01:08
Im going to neither confirm nor deny unless you ask a question.
Then I'll ask:
Question
Is it from planetarian?

kouryuu
2005-06-22, 07:01
[quote="kouryuu"] Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No Is it a mechanical device? No Is it a proper noun? No-ish Is the word from one of the European Languages? yes-ish Is it tangible? No Is it from Planetarian? Yes

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

AstCd2
2005-06-22, 07:12
Question
Is it the track "Gentle Jena"?

kouryuu
2005-06-22, 07:21
O.o I have no idea what that is.... so I'll gaurantee its not the answer.

Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No Is it a mechanical device? No Is it a proper noun? No-ish Is the word from one of the European Languages? yes-ish Is it tangible? No Is it from Planetarian? Yes Is it the track "Gentle Jenna"? No

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

Calthness
2005-06-23, 01:15
Question

Is it a star or constellation?

(Stars aren't tangible isn't?)

kouryuu
2005-06-23, 04:02
Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No Is it a mechanical device? No Is it a proper noun? No-ish Is the word from one of the European Languages? yes-ish Is it tangible? No Is it from Planetarian? Yes Is it the track "Gentle Jenna"? No Is it a star or constellation?No

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

Haeleth
2005-06-23, 07:09
Discussion
We still need to do something with those "ish"es and that hint. As I see it, there aren't that many possibilities. Either it's an English phrase or sentence (i.e. not a single word - that's how I used that hint), or it's a non-English word, phrase, or sentence, or, as gp32 suggested a page or so back, it's an acronym, of which there are plenty in planetarian.

Or possibly all of the above.

Shall we try to narrow it down to one of those next?

kouryuu
2005-06-24, 04:27
we're about to hit question 10, so I'll say this: my hint may be misleading in its current state, but like a good word problem, if you ignore the unnessecary information, it makes too much sense.

Haeleth
2005-06-27, 09:00
Let's keep this going then...

Question: Is it an acronym?

GreatSaintLouis
2005-06-27, 12:17
Discussion
He said not an English word - could he possibly be referring to the German manufacturer of the projector? Can't remember the name off the top of my head...

Haeleth
2005-06-27, 12:19
Discussion
Zeiss. But that's a proper noun, and apparently it's not-ish one of those. ;)

kouryuu
2005-06-27, 12:56
Acronym: A word formed from the initial letters of a name, such as WAC for Women's Army Corps, or by combining initial letters or parts of a series of words, such as radar for radio detecting and ranging.

Using that definition:

Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No Is it a mechanical device? No Is it a proper noun? No-ish Is the word from one of the European Languages? yes-ish Is it tangible? No Is it from Planetarian? Yes Is it the track "Gentle Jenna"? No Is it a star or constellation?No Is it an Acronym? No

Hint: The answer is not an English word.


Now regarding the whole proper noun issue since you guys are focusing on that a bit, I really tried to look up the rules of grammar regarding the answer and its possibility of being a proper noun. I could find no grammar rule regarding this, and those outside this forum who I've asked for their opinion on its grammatical classification were split down the center.

and don't be dismayed by the nos, you're on your way to the crucial question that I think will make everything clear to you, from the -ishes to the answer.

kouryuu
2005-06-30, 08:37
...

considering how little attention my question is getting, i wonder if i made the answer too specific...

Haeleth
2005-06-30, 09:43
More that you've made your answers too unspecific... ;_;
All those ishes may be justified, but they make this look very very hard...

Let's prod a little more around the edge of that proper noun thing, then.

Question: Is it a name, word, phrase, or other label used to identify a particular item (e.g. a weapon or a machine)?

kouryuu
2005-06-30, 16:43
That was Almost a no... good wording on that one.

Is It from Kanon? No Is it from Air? No Is it a mechanical device? No Is it a proper noun? No-ish Is the word from one of the European Languages? yes-ish Is it tangible? No Is it from Planetarian? Yes Is it the track "Gentle Jenna"? No Is it a star or constellation?No Is it an Acronym? No Is it a name, word, phrase, or other label used to identify a particular item (e.g. a weapon or a machine)?Yes

Hint: The answer is not an English word.

Myen
2005-07-01, 02:00
Thinking about 5 (yes-ish to being from one of the European Languages), maybe it's something multilated? Heck, the title "Planetarian" isn't an English word (as far as I know) but is definitely derived from one.

(That wouldn't be it, though - a building would certainly be tangible; just an example. That's assuming Key actually meant Planetarium.)

AstCd2
2005-07-01, 02:07
Discussion
Actually, a Planetarian is the correct English title for a member of the professional staff of a Planetarium (I was surprised too). Perhaps that's the answer, in the sense that one can't touch the actual concept of the 'game'?

Haeleth
2005-07-01, 04:07
Discussion
In that case it might well be the word "Planetarian"... since that's a word that can be used to identify an item (the game) or a machine (Revvie/Yumemi herself), but it isn't tangible itself, because it's a word not an object.

That would be evil, though... O_O

kouryuu
2005-07-01, 04:28
*innocent misleading whistle*

that last question haeleth asked... only caught the yes by a hair. but, It's probably the closest you've come so far.

gp32
2005-07-01, 10:22
Discussion
The term "planetarian" may also be used as an adjective that is loosely defined as "of or pertaining to a planet" -- in fact, it is this dual meaning that caused me to translate ほしの as "planetarian" in the first place.

However, the word itself is most definitely an English word, no matter how you look at it, so I doubt that the word "planetarian" is it.

Of course, given this pattern of questions, it could just as well be the subtitle of the piece, "the reverie of a little planet" -_-

AstCd2
2005-07-01, 10:35
Discussion
Perhaps it might be worthwhile, then, to ask whether it is an entire phrase rather than a single word?