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Keisuke
2005-02-08, 09:07
How do you guys think about one of Japanese people's unique culture that people CAN date or even marry their own family members? Not their brother or sister but cousin relation Like Yuuich and Nayuki.

Is there any other country that has similar culture like Japan's?

This probably is not true, but the rumour I heard is that Kanon anime hasn't been licensed by western because of its content, which is showing love between a family member (Yuuich and Nayuki of course).

PS:
LOL one of my stupid friend have pointed out that AIR won't be coming to U.S. because of Yukito's child abusing content. (Yukito striking Michiru's head really hard..) XP

Haeleth
2005-02-08, 09:34
I thought it was legal to marry a cousin in most parts of the world. It certainly is in the UK, and it also seems to be perfectly fine in 26 US states.

Seriously, I've never thought of the Yuuichi/Nayuki pairing as particularly odd. Games where people have relationships with adopted sisters or half-sisters, sure, those are a bit off - but I didn't realise cousins were particularly controversial till I looked it up just now and found a lot of Americans getting up-tight about that sort of relationship. :p

Right with you on Yukito, though. Round here we have a special term for the sort of man who goes round showing little girls his dolly... it's normally about 10 years. ;)

Slipgate
2005-02-08, 10:17
I don't think Kanon has ever even entered consideration for coming here. How often do datesim anime come here at all? Part of the reason is that honestly at least 90% of the audience is datesim audience or those who would then take a look at the game it came from. Air likewise won't for those reasons.

As for cousin marriages, they happen, but some people joke about them from a genetic standpoint, though IMO they're fine from a genetic standpoint compared to bro/sis... they shouldn't be happening ALL the time but the ocassional one is fine. In fact, I'm a big supporter of Yuuichi/Nayuki ... and I have relatives who are cousins who are married.

Slipgate

Hikari Tsukishiro
2005-02-08, 10:40
I don't think the incest thing is keeping Kanon from coming here.
Onegai Twins has the same vibe.
So is Koi Kaze, and that's freakin creepy in incest vibes.

AzureLight
2005-02-08, 11:12
It is perfectly alright to marry your cousin in my religion.

But hey, one of the issues when Card Captor Sakura was hacked when ported to the US was the characters Li Syaoran and Li Meilin - they should've been cousins, and Meilin has a crush on Li, but Nirvana renamed her Meilin Rae and denounced her bloodline. So it complicates things, in some cases the changes are even unnecessary.

Really, if people are becoming open with shounen/shoujo ai, why not this. It's more often a clash of customs and ideals anyway.

My opinion on Nayuki and Yuuichi is that the relationship's used as a tool to make him come back home to Japan after 7 years. Frankly there's no... connection if you may, if they weren't. And Akiko would've been gettable too

zalas
2005-02-08, 13:04
I think it's more likely that the licensors need to see a market for Kanon (one much greater than the current fanbase who watched it on fansubs). However, it is rumored that someone, like Rightstuf, was looking into it. It's probably just a rumor, though.

Keisuke
2005-02-08, 15:28
I thought it was legal to marry a cousin in most parts of the world. It certainly is in the UK, and it also seems to be perfectly fine in 26 US states.


Now how come I didn't know anything about this?? Especially in US!?? @_@

ADDED:

Thanks to everyone for interesting opinions.
I am still amused(not in a bad way) by family marriage stuff.

AetherParadigm
2005-02-08, 17:12
Hello, I'm new here but have been watching the board for a really long time and have so far played Kanon, KimiNozo and AkaneManiax. I wanted to reply to Zalas' comment - I braved Gravitation fangirls at the RightStuf panel at Otakon 2004 and asked if, given their record of licensing love simulation-based games, would they license other shows like Kanon or KimiNozo. The panelist asked me to repeat the name 'Kanon,' and one of the aides whispered something to them, and she said "we can't comment on one of those shows at the moment, but look for an announcement in the coming year". I'm glad to hear somebody else was paying attention there ^_^

New
2005-02-08, 18:21
Honestly, not really. I mean, I wouldn't go for one of my cousins, but it's not as if Nayuki's his sister or anything. I mean, actually, if you don't go for Nayuki, as far as I can tell, she acts like a really concerned sister (*CoughShioricough* *Not sure if Spoiler, feel free to hide it if so*), but if you go for her, she changes to be a possible lover, so it appears that she really loves Yuuchi and will change or adapt however it is required to help him. Unless it cuts in on her sleep time.

gp32
2005-02-09, 06:09
If I recall correctly, in the U.S., marriage between first cousins is not permitted, but marriage between second cousins is.

The reasoning behind this is that while siblings share roughly half their genetic information and first cousins share roughly 1/8, second cousins share a far more miniscule amount.

Haeleth
2005-02-09, 06:42
Too much information? (http://www.cousincouples.com/index.shtml?./pages/states.htm)

Aldareon
2005-02-09, 14:38
Woah .. whoever made that web site could possibly have some latent issues that they need to deal with. Meh .. I ain't got anything against it anyway. Would be nice if it showed more than just the US though.

The panelist asked me to repeat the name 'Kanon,' and one of the aides whispered something to them, and she said "we can't comment on one of those shows at the moment, but look for an announcement in the coming year". I'm glad to hear somebody else was paying attention there ^_^
Hey, love the nick! Looks really cool. Anyhow, it's most probably just me but I've never heard of Rightstuf.
What game->anime series have they translated? Interesting how the speaker didn't know of Kanon .. or maybe they asked for the name to be repeated because it seemed familiar. Hmmm

Misu
2005-02-09, 16:08
Right Stuf picked up titles that most wouldnt have expected to see in the US, such as To Heart and Comic Party (well... both are Leaf dating sims so who knows o-o... Kanon might stand a shot)

2005-02-11, 00:42
as far as I know, it is not possible to marry your blood realted sister (1 perent or both), and any women higher they you in the family tree. Other wise every woman out there is legal. (my own older brother is acutaly married to one of our cousins, the daugter of our mother's sister).

that fact that this is not the case in the USA is a supprise to me

P.S. I beleave that in some cultures and religons the type of sisters you have might have expand beyond blood.

AstCd2
2005-02-12, 07:09
For purposes of comparison, the legal position in Australia is that a sister and brother cannot marry (regardless of whether they are related by blood). Cousins, however, seem to be fine.

Relevant extract from the Marriage Act 1961 (Cth) s23(2)(b):
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma196185/s23.html

A rather dated article for those interested:
http://marriage.about.com/b/a/066720.htm

The standard disclaimers about my lack of legal qualifications apply.

Spiritsnare
2005-02-12, 11:53
The panelist asked me to repeat the name 'Kanon,' and one of the aides whispered something to them, and she said "we can't comment on one of those shows at the moment, but look for an announcement in the coming year". I'm glad to hear somebody else was paying attention there ^_^
Anyhow, it's most probably just me but I've never heard of Rightstuf.
What game->anime series have they translated? Interesting how the speaker didn't know of Kanon .. or maybe they asked for the name to be repeated because it seemed familiar. Hmmm

I didn't hear about Rightstuf until I saw the first ep of Comic Party on that one Newtype DVD (the magazine that had that bundled had JC Staff featured).

If Kanon gets licensed, I am so buying the entire series. Same if it happens with AIR.

Unless they were really talking about KimiGa, I'm hopeful for a license...

AetherParadigm
2005-02-12, 15:08
Thanks for the compliment!
I think it's a win-win scenario, personally. I'd love to see both of them licensed, but I'll be happy either way. But with the talk of G-Collections licensing the KGNE game, and Media Factory sending cease-and-desist
orders to fansubbers, it'll probably be KimiNozo. I can't really decide if I'd like Kanon, KimiNozo or Air most, though ^_^;;

Aldareon
2005-02-12, 18:20
But with the talk of G-Collections licensing the KGNE game, and Media Factory sending cease-and-desist
orders to fansubbers, it'll probably be KimiNozo.
I thought that G-Collections decided to halt plans for a translation due to the complexity of the game? Then again, that was like 6 months ago. There was a forum thread about that somewhere here ..

MOST definitely me again, but who's MediaFactory??

A rather dated article for those interested:
http://marriage.about.com/b/a/066720.htm
Heh heh .. article just screams "Brady Bunch" in my head ^_^

zalas
2005-02-12, 20:17
Heh heh .. article just screams "Brady Bunch" in my head ^_^
この物語は
美女の事だ
*runs*

AetherParadigm
2005-02-12, 20:48
Brady Bunch? Eep, scary ^_^
Ah, Media Factory is the company that produced KimiNozo. The only other things I know they did were RahXephon and Vandread, They were briefly famous for telling fansubbers in december to stop or be sued:
http://www.animesuki.com/doc.php/legal/mediafactory.html
Which unfortunately means the fansubbing of the followup OVA Akane Maniax is toast too. :(
As for the actual topic here (heh), I don't really have a problem with the marrying of cousins, and I really like Nayuki's scenario (even though you have to be pretty mean to Ayu..). But we're sorta uptight about that kind of thing in the US, so that might explain the hesitance to license Kanon - I mean, To Heart got licensed first? There's no excuse for that ;)

Slipgate
2005-02-12, 20:53
Heh, To Heart is older than Kanon, I remember seeing To Heart fansub VHS... so that's why there. Kanon is part of the recent wave of digital look anime.

Slipgate

Nandemonai
2005-02-14, 18:31
Too much information? (http://www.cousincouples.com/index.shtml?./pages/states.htm)

That page has its own domain name. Am I the only one who finds it a little disturbing that someone not only compiled a list, but registered a domain name of its very own for the list?

Nandemonai
2005-02-14, 18:36
But with the talk of G-Collections licensing the KGNE game, and Media Factory sending cease-and-desist
orders to fansubbers, it'll probably be KimiNozo. ;

The G-C talk is just that. Talk. That is more than six months old, actually -- I think probably closer to a year -- and GC has since came out and formally denied it.

As for Media Factory and the cease-and-desist letters, those were (as I understand) triggered by some fansubber releasing a copy of an OVA either immediately after it was released, or just PRIOR. In Japan. The Japanese firm was understandably alarmed at the propspect of their sales tanking, so they contacted a lawyer.

So it's not quite cut and dry.

Slipgate
2005-02-14, 19:43
That page has its own domain name. Am I the only one who finds it a little disturbing that someone not only compiled a list, but registered a domain name of its very own for the list?

Well really that depends... are you bugged by cousin marriage? If you are, then such a list is going to be disturbing to you. If you aren't, it's a possible informational resource so you know when you might be stepping on legal toes. What homosexual people have to do is often considered a crime, and they likewise might want to find more permissive areas for situations where it is two consenting adults.

Seriously - if we can have a haeleth.net, an animenewsnetwork.com, a garfield.com, this sounds to me like something we can have.

Slipgate

AetherParadigm
2005-02-14, 19:44
I was afraid of that, but I hadn't heard anything about G-C in a long time. As for the fansubbing of one of their OVAs, Akane Maniax 1 was released 11/25/04, subtitled 11/29/04 and the C&D order was given on 12/9/04. Akane Maniax isn't exactly cash cow material, especially compared to RahXephon and KimiNozo, so either KimiNozo & associated properties were up for licensing and they got spooked, or they jumped on the growing fear of fansubbers and jumped at the first notice they got. Still fairly cut and dry, but it does make it more likely that KimiNozo is the one up for license, and thus probably Akane Maniax and (possibly eventually) MuvLuv too. *sigh* I'm still holding out and hoping for Kanon ^_^