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AstCd2
2004-08-28, 19:38
Noted on Moon Phase recently was this quote from the latest entry on the Key Staff Diary
(here: http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/gallary/diary.htm ).

> [kanon][AIR]そして[CLANNAD]は自分の今までの人生のなかで特別な影響をもたらした作品だ
> と思います!いつ出るか分からないけど次の作品に期待しています!
ありがとうございます!
次回作、来年だしますよ! 今年もまだ何かありそうですよ!

A rough translation would be:

>I think [Kanon], [Air], and [Clannad] are all works that have had a
>special influence on my life up until now! I don't know when it'll be
>coming out, but I look forward to your next work!
Thank you! We'll be putting out our next work next year! It seems like there's still something left (to release) this year too!

---

Did I read this wrong? Are they just kidding? Frankly, I'm finding this very difficult to believe, given Key's track record of 4 years to 1 game ^^;;.

Ciswe
2004-08-28, 23:50
There were some rumors of a Key fan disc going around for a while. I can't imagine that being released until next year though.

zalas
2004-08-29, 01:21
Maybe they were referring to a new port of a game, like maybe Clannad on PS2 >.>;;

AstCd2
2004-09-02, 07:57
http://www.product.co.jp/soft00.asp

Word has it that Key is doing a Kanon re-release on DVD in November.

Official notice from Key is still pending, but if this is true, then it'd fit neatly with what was noted in the diary above. Hope this won't mean additional time that Haeleth has to spend tweaking the patch for compatibility.

Haeleth
2004-09-02, 08:16
Wow, that looks... interesting.

Assuming it's true, then how soon I support it rather depends how they rerelease it... if it's a repackaging of the AVG32 version, then it should be trivial to support, but if it's a remake on RealLive it will obviously require porting.

I almost hope it isn't true... none of the people I've encouraged to buy the CD version recently are going to be very pleased if it is. ;)

zalas
2004-09-02, 13:00
Oh wow, guess we'll know on Thanksgiving, at the latest. A voiced version of Kanon on DVD would be nice. :) I guess I'll hold off on buying that for the Dreamcast then...

Stranger
2004-09-03, 00:11
and hopefuly it will follow in other games DVD releases foot steps..... more CGs for the DVD version :-)

who knows.... maybe even some fanservice from Akiko (I had to add this.. :-) )

adun50
2004-09-03, 03:36
but think about it, what other stuff would come on the dvd?? assuming they just use the orginal game and apply the voices to the game, at most it'll take is less than half a dvd. but being voiced, it'd most likely be the all-age version as well (so no Akiko fan-service for you!)

Aldareon
2004-09-03, 04:30
They can .. redo the graphics so it doesn't look like a stretched verion of the original. Maybe also some bonus material such as extra graphics/minigame and hopefully a new storyline/character, but that will never happen 'coz that wouldn't be kanon any more. But you can always hope ..

AstCd2
2004-09-03, 04:41
but being voiced, it'd most likely be the all-age version as well (so no Akiko fan-service for you!)

Actually, the site has it down as 18+ at the moment, though that may well be an assumption they've made. I also find it difficult to believe Key would release a DVD version without including the voices, since they've already been done and all, but we're talking about the same company that passed up the chance to do voices for Clannad, an all-ages game released on a DVD.

Maybe also some bonus material such as extra graphics/minigame and hopefully a new storyline/character, but that will never happen 'coz that wouldn't be kanon any more. But you can always hope .

I'm rather hoping for one of the more popular support characters to get promoted to full heroine status, like they did with Meiko in Mebius' re-release of Snow. As you say, though, it's not likely to happen as it'd involve considerable rewriting of the story.

zalas
2004-09-03, 07:11
Perhaps they can add an 'after-story' for each of the main heroines so that you can sorta live Yuuichi's life afterwards, maybe something with a more comical atmosphere.

K
2004-09-03, 10:29
Kanon DVD?

*drools at prospect*

*hand goes to wallet*

Weave
2004-09-03, 18:47
Imitates K.


It can only get better, right? Maybe they're upgrade the soundtrack, add native voice, and improve/add graphics.

I mean, it's not like they're gonna turn Kanon into a text adventure game...

Any idea on the price? The newer games coming out are INSANELY priced. I'd hate to have to buy "Kanon the DVD" for eight thousand yen, but I would and they know it.

adun50
2004-09-03, 18:56
but if they changed a few things in the game, question we should all be asking is whether the translation patch can still be used with it. I'm assuming yes it would. but you never know

Weave
2004-09-03, 19:02
I'm sure Haeleth could do it, but it's a matter of how much they changed. If they completely rewrote the freakin script, yes we'd be fscked, but that's not likely to happen. I'd honestly be surprised if they changed much at all.
A company goes for the most amount of money for the least amount of work.

K
2004-09-03, 19:25
If there's nothing changed, though, it would be rereleased on CD.

Therefore, there's gotta be something new...

Aldareon
2004-09-04, 00:58
I doubt they can re-release as a cd because the audio and data files without the voice already filled the cd. Unless they do a double cd combo like Air. I was also hoping for a newer and nicer soundtrack, but that can really be up to the individual whether they like the new soundtrack or not. Would be nice if they included the anime OST into it too ..

Weave
2004-09-04, 04:40
it's just that there really hasn't been any new advances in the genre since they started using voice. What if they did something where the graphics were say Advent Children quality and it was a seriously realistic game? That would be cool.
I don't want the same thing that's happening to RPGs happen to this genre. Someone gets a good idea and they just copy that idea till you can't sqeeze anything out of it.

wow, ice cream makes me ranty.

AstCd2
2004-09-04, 05:00
it's just that there really hasn't been any new advances in the genre since they started using voice.


Actually, there's been quite a bit of development in the renai gaming world of late. Most newer games feature some interactive gimmick to their engines (animation, lip synching, moving cameras, etc), and some of them (like Littlewitch's Quartett) run on entirely new 'floating frame' engines that feature a style of presentation not unlike an animated manga.

Of course, I can't imagine a studio as ultra-conservative as Key doing something like that for a Kanon remake, especially since they've always been a studio that's sold their games on story rather than technology. Going by what's happened in their previous console conversions, I'm guessing that all we're likely to get, assuming the story is true, is a direct port of the DC Kanon (ie. avec voices and the new CG, sans H-scenes).

roxfan
2004-09-04, 06:55
What if they did something where the graphics were say Advent Children quality and it was a seriously realistic game? That would be cool.
By the way, Advent Children was originally planned as a DVD-game (you play it with a DVD player and remote).

Haeleth
2004-09-04, 07:00
Oh lord, I hope it's not a direct port from the consoles... the DC and PS2 versions run on a totally different engine which I don't fully understand. An AVG32 rerelease would be trivial to support, RealLive would be a pain but doable, but something using the console engine would be incredibly annoying.

Anyway, this is pretty much all speculation still. It seems unlikely that Versammeln would be wrong about the existence of the game (it's the official VisualArt's page, isn't it?), and I suspect they can be trusted about the 18 rating (consider how, before the details about Clannad were announced, they put the rating as "unknown" rather than assume it would be an adult game). Beyond that, though... who can say?

K
2004-09-04, 10:14
If it was a direct console port it could've been done long ago.

I still have the feeling there's gotta be something new... maybe I'm just optimistic.

Oh wait a minute... what if they voice the H-scenes?? >_>

AzureLight
2004-09-04, 11:54
what if they voice the H-scenes?? >_>

So what?

...Horie Yui sounding sexy... *drool*

K
2004-09-04, 17:10
Mm, I meant it as a good thing.

Weave
2004-09-04, 19:11
Quartet huh?
Saw alot of advertising for it last time I was in Tokyo....the art seemed different. I'd be more willing to try new things if they didn't bleed my wallet dry.

They are making a game based off Advent Children, but I think it's only for cellphones. Which seems pretty crazy, but seeing what they have on cellphones already I can't really say it couldn't be done.

Horie Yui......hmmmm.
Maybe they can finally add that Akito/Amano/Kaori/Air/Clannad crossover arc? :)

Haeleth
2004-09-24, 16:52
Jun Maeda has updated the staff diary again -- and, in what must be the most annoying post ever, he completely fails to say ANYTHING about the rumoured Kanon rerelease. There's only one vaguely relevant comment: in response to a question about whether the "product coming later this year" mentioned in the previous entry might be the PS2 version of Clannad, he writes "Hello. No, I was talking about something different".

Thank you, Maeda-san, that's exactly the sort of helpful answer people want... @@

zalas
2004-09-24, 22:11
Sure keeps up the suspense doesn't it ;)

AstCd2
2004-09-25, 01:23
http://www.animate.tv/news/detail.php?id=atv040924a&page=&sea=&tid=&rid=

http://www.fwinc.co.jp/kanon/DVDBOX/

Interestingly enough, there was a Kanon TV DVD box set announced today. It'd be a fine joke if this was the aforementioned 'new thing out before the end of the year'.

It is a little strange that we haven't heard anything further on this Kanon DVD rerelease, though. You'd think that any publicity at this point could only be positive, especially if they hope to get it out before the end of the year.

Stranger
2004-10-05, 23:02
the product.co.jp site seem to have a link for the Kanan DVD version, but the link goes to the same location as the Adult CD version?!!

is there any update or info about the DVD version yet?!

2004-10-06, 00:42
It is nice to meet you everyone.
May i write here, although i can't use neat english?

According to a Japanese Shop information,
it seem a low price version and probably no additional factor.
http://www.product.co.jp/soft00.asp

Kanon Standard Edition
release date 2004/11/26
price 2940yen ($3234)
media DVD-ROM
voice non-voice

However it isn't official data.


I'm sorry if there is weird grammar. thanks.

AstCd2
2004-10-06, 01:06
Welcome to the board. Nice to meet you.

The 2800 yen price tag (in contrast to Key's cited price of 9240 yen for the CD version) and the lack of any fanfare from Key does point towards a simple re-release, but what puzzles me is that it makes no sense to use a DVD if they're not going to add anything. Not only are CDs cheaper, but not everyone in Japan has a DVD drive (as many vocally attested on Key's boards just before Clannad was released), so going with DVDs is a bad marketing decision too.

On the other hand, there have been cases like Da Capo DVD edition and the original Snow DVD edition where the only addition was higher quality music and sound (and arguably the convenience of having one DVD instead of 2 CDs), so it's certainly not impossible. Only time will tell.

Stranger
2004-10-06, 01:29
On the other hand, there was that case of the Da Capo DVD edition, which contained very little apart from better sound. Perhaps they plan to do something along those lines.aaaaa... say it isn't so... my Akiko fanservice pics.. they are gone with the wind (Stranger looks side ways at adun50.. hey shadap, and don't you dare say "I told you so")

humm.... maybe they are releasing the English version of the game??!!! that why it is on DVD (ok I am geting a bit disprate here)

adun50
2004-10-06, 04:18
(Stranger looks side ways at adun50.. hey shadap, and don't you dare say "I told you so")

so....tempted.....

i doubt that a dvd re-release of Kanon would cost 2800 yen, it would cost more than that since they would have to be able to cover the cost of producing the dvds and such. if it were a re-release with no added features then i don't think it would be worth buying. why pay for just better quality sound?

Nanatuha
2004-10-06, 08:20
Maybe, They buy it this opportunity who have not play Kanon yet although it is interested.
Since it is five years ago that the game was put on the market, probably some people are not mature and don't know at the time.


By the way, I registered my account.
Re-read my before reply calmly, that is beside the mark.
I had misread to Stranger say "anywhere find new information".
It has written clearly product.co.jp's name by he. nmmm... sorry...

It is glad if forgive me. although I speak strange remarks maybe sometimes.
Study English is still not much.

In other words in Japanese,
ふつつかものですが、どうぞよろしくお願いします。

AstCd2
2004-10-06, 08:56
こちらこそよろしくお願いします

いるのはいるですが、今でもカノンなんて聞いたことがない人が少ないと思うよ。 TVアニメもあったし、五年前の作品とは言え、今でもそのキャラは人気である、よく同人誌とかに載せたらしい。 恋愛ゲームの市場というのは最初から比較的に小さいと考えると、まだなんとか(違法な方法でも)手に入ってない人だけに売り出せれば、たぶんとっても儲けないじゃないでしょうか (特に激安い価値の2800円で) (w

まあ、まだ確かどうかは分かりませんね
それに私は現在のゲーム市場の状況があまり詳しくないから、実際は違うかもしれない

(日本語を書くことがあまり経験ありませんので、もし間違いがあったら大目に見てください)

While they do exist, even now I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who haven't heard of it at all (especially given the TV series and frequent doujin appearances even today). At the very least, it's doubtful whether they could turn a profit just by selling to this market, especially given the small size of the renai game market to begin with and the very cheap price of 2800 yen.

Well, that's assuming all the details are true. I'm not particularly familiar with how the current marketplace is faring either, so don't take my opinion on it as gospel. =P

Stranger
2004-10-07, 00:56
どうぞよるしく Nanatuha-san

thanks for the info (ありがとう ございます), I was asking for any info, and you did give some info. Just because the info is dispointing it doesn't change that fact that it is more then what we had before.

I am still hoping for Akiko's fanservice, and better yet... Nayuki's :-)

adun50
2004-10-07, 07:44
better yet... Nayuki's :-)

now i can agree with you on that one, lol

Haeleth
2004-10-07, 09:50
Why have all the interesting announcements come while I'm out of town?! X_x

It would surprise me quite a lot if there were NO changes in this new version, but the 2800 yen price tag does make one begin to wonder about voices, I must say...

I still find it very hard to imagine them making a straight rerelease of the original adult version. At the very very minimum I'd expect them to upgrade the program to work properly in Windows XP, and I'd be surprised if they don't at least include the enhanced CGs from the all-age version.

Nihongo de kakanakute gomennasai... konna inaka machi de ha, IME no aru pasokon nante mitsukerarenai shi, roomaji ha yomigatai desu kara...

Nanatuha
2004-10-08, 09:42
"Hourglass of Summer" I ordered reached my home! *exultation*

but tomorrow is holiday work the whole day. *collapse*


I heard other rumor. KANON of PS2 (similar price) is also rereleased in December. It might tie-up with a Air movie.

now, everybody Japanese Description skilful. I can understand perfectly.

Haeleth
2004-10-20, 12:01
The newly redesigned Key site finally gives us some concrete information on "Kanon Standard Edition". The interesting thing that springs to my eye is the hard disk space requirement. For the original Kanon, it's 250 MB; for the Standard Edition, it's 700 MB.

They do specify that the music will be in PCM format this time, so that probably accounts for the difference... Clannad's music took up 1.2 GB, after all.

One does still rather wonder why they're putting it on a DVD. 700 MB ought to fit on a CD... will there be other extras on the disk, perhaps?

zalas
2004-10-20, 13:32
700MB sounds about right for the whole Kanon CD as they have released it before. PCM on CDDA and PCM in files shouldn't make much of a difference except PCM in files may expand the CD size a little bit due to error correction. That being said, if that 700mb is just music and program, they're probably not going to have voices on that DVD, because seeking on it may be slow and you want these voices to be synched up.

Misu
2004-10-21, 05:35
now, my Japanese reading skills are horrible, so I'm not going to try to read the webpages, but can we say that its safe to assume Kanon Standard Edition will be on the RealLive Engine, becuase it does state a Direct X 5.0 requirement, which was not the case in the older engines? (at least, i think what its saying on the webpage)

AstCd2
2004-10-21, 06:24
One does still rather wonder why they're putting it on a DVD. 700 MB ought to fit on a CD... will there be other extras on the disk, perhaps?

It's looking kind of doubtful at this point, IMHO. There's absolutely zero fanfare about the re-release (not even a news post on Key's main page), and you'd expect them to plug any material improvements pretty hard. As you say, the low price tag and the name "Standard Edition" instead of, oh, say "Special Edition" would fit with this theory too.

My guess is that this release is just a replacement for the adult version of Kanon (which is now out of print). Note how 'story' and 'character introduction' link to the 18+ versions of the pages rather than the All Ages versions (I have no idea why there are two versions, though; they're identical as far as I can see).

now, my Japanese reading skills are horrible, so I'm not going to try to read the webpages, but can we say that its safe to assume Kanon Standard Edition will be on the RealLive Engine, becuase it does state a Direct X 5.0 requirement, which was not the case in the older engines? (at least, i think what its saying on the webpage)

Interesting point. I assume it'd have to be if it were to run properly on windows XP (as it claims to do).

By the way, I like your picture =P.

Haeleth
2004-10-21, 11:08
As far as RealLive goes... good question, actually. I believe some of the last AVG32 versions did work properly in Windows XP... certainly if they're switching to WAV sound in place of the CDDA that causes most of the problems.

Can't say I mind either way, personally. RealLive would let me do some cool new stuff, but AVG32 would let me reuse the cool stuff I've been doing already... ;)

K
2004-10-21, 17:56
What I'm wondering is... why would they transfer the game to RealLive?

If they're using RealLive that implies that the game now has some kind of improvement that requires it, otherwise that just makes no sense... >_>

Aldareon
2004-10-22, 03:50
Can't say I mind either way, personally. RealLive would let me do some cool new stuff, but AVG32 would let me reuse the cool stuff I've been doing already... ;)
If the new kanon uses a system other than AVG32, does this mean that you are still willing to do the translation for BOTH the CD and DVD versions?

Haeleth
2004-10-22, 04:53
Looking at the specs again, I have to say I think it's about 90% certain they're simply using a newer release of AVG32 - since that did have the same DirectX 5 requirement in some incarnations.

I can confirm however that I will certainly be supporting the DVD version, even if it does turn out to be RealLive. It wouldn't be that hard. Most of the really tricky hacking, like the subtitles on the songs, would actually be trivial in RealLive - it has a reasonably sane graphics API, unlike AVG32 where I have to spend half my time juggling bitmaps. X_x

Fresh from Moon Phase, a link to another product page for Kanon SE at RSK (http://61.199.33.219/info/visual/key/kanon_se/). According to this, the Standard Edition will definitely not have voices, but it will include all the extra CGs from the all-age version as well as the 18-kin CGs from the original.

emperor
2004-10-22, 13:48
After all an edition that also has the 18禁 parts cannot have voices as those parts were never voiced (and not like they'd do it now, after so much time and if they liked to, it can be doubted that all Seiyuu would actually be willing to do those parts. Well I guess a Full Voice All Ages version can still be hoped for (would be nice to have the voice with the game on an original game disc). They wouldn't only release an adult version would they? I actually expected it the other way around...

AzureLight
2004-10-23, 05:26
The trouble we got was the quality of the voices. Mariko Kouda and Yui Horie would be reluctant to act out those scenes. If they hire some same-sounding seiyuus just to play those scenes then that'd be funny -_- (double seiyuu credits?)

Shame really, but that's H-gaming for ya.

I wonder if future ADV games have voice systems that can spell out the custom player's name?

Aldareon
2004-10-23, 18:43
Not in the near future. Most of the text speech programs I've come across have problems pronouncing uncommon names. While the latest ones are becoming less inhuman in terms of voices and can say normal senteces perfectly, I still cringe at the way my surname gets pronounced ~_~

Same sounding seiyuus .. I wonder if anybody would be able to tell the difference ;)

Soulfang
2004-10-23, 21:00
Japanese would be pretty easy. It could ask you to put what your name was in hiragana too, so that way it could pronounce it correctly. It's an interesting idea...

AstCd2
2004-10-23, 21:34
Not necessarily; It'd still be subject to intonations depending on the emotion the speaker is conveying. Names are going to have to be voiced differently to fit in with the rest of the sentence when characters talk in a sad, happy, angry, or scared voice, or when they're shouting or whispering. There's a similar timing issue when fitting the name into fast, slow, or drawn out sentences.

In any case, developing the technology for stringing together every single conceivable conjugation of kana into one smoothly pronounced name would be pretty difficult in itself, even in monotone.

This very topic came up on the 2ch boards some time ago, but it seemed the majority of Japanese gamers didn't feel it was worthwhile. Surely the money that would go into that sort of technology would be better applied to improve the presentation of these games in other ways (animation, for example, would be a much more viable area).

Personally, I've always felt like I'm seeing the story from the perspective of a fictional main character rather than actually being in the story myself. Even if he were to have my name, his words and actions would hardly be reconcilable with mine ^^;;

AzureLight
2004-10-23, 22:21
Not necessarily; It'd still be subject to intonations depending on the emotion the speaker is conveying. Names are going to have to be voiced differently to fit in with the rest of the sentence when characters talk in a sad, happy, angry, or scared voice, or when they're shouting or whispering. There's a similar timing issue when fitting the name into fast, slow, or drawn out sentences.

My thoughts exactly. Although it would be eased with only the kana pronunciation (as opposed to Western names with a crapload of ways to make your names), the intonation would make it troublesome.

I was thinking of a set of different names to choose in some future games though...

zalas
2004-10-24, 01:12
In any case, developing the technology for stringing together every single conceivable conjugation of kana into one smoothly pronounced name would be pretty difficult in itself, even in monotone.
Was this what that EDS thing from one of the Tokimemo games did?

Korgath
2004-10-24, 02:34
I remember reading that Tokimeki Girl's Side had that system (EVS) and that it "kind of" worked.

Haeleth
2004-10-24, 04:48
The only one I've played with EVS is Tokimemo 2. It's... interesting. You input the kana, and you indicate where the accent falls in your name, and then it generates a range of pronunciations. The results are very low quality, and can only be used with one character at a time (and only two characters support it at all by default, though there are add-on disks for the other girls).

Nobody was very impressed. Maybe the PS2 games managed better, but basically the experiment failed, and I never heard of any other series trying it.

Asmadi
2004-10-26, 11:57
Just noticed the Standard Edition was put up by Himeya (http://shop.himeya.com/products/win_other/win_other.html), so even if we don't know for sure, we can at least pre-order it ;)

K
2004-10-26, 15:30
Link goes to All-Age >_>

Asmadi
2004-10-26, 17:59
Hmm, didn't notice that. Well if you check their preorder (http://shop.himeya.com/products/new/new.html) page, you can see the Standard Edition along with the price, $38.00. :)

Haeleth
2004-11-06, 15:11
There's a new post by Maeda-sensei on the Key staff blog (http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/blog/index.php?eid=5) about the Standard Edition. A rough translation of the relevant part:
Maeda reporting, from the middle of debugging "Kanon - Standard Edition".
We're almost at the beta stage, but thanks to changing the engine, it's all really needed a lot of work. We've all been working hard (especially the programmers!).
My taste has clearly changed since back then -- I keep being sorely tempted to try to improve the script... but if I started that, I'd never stop. (sweats)
So I'm having to satisfy myself with just correcting actual typos.

K
2004-11-06, 16:53
Changing the engine...?

Haeleth
2004-11-06, 17:25
Presumably a reference to the fact that they've either upgraded to the last version of AVG32, or switched to RealLive. Either would have involved a lot of rewriting, particularly if the original source code was at all bitrotten, so unfortunately there's still no knowing whether I'll be able to support it immediately or whether I'll have to redo all the hacking for it...

Bust Nak
2004-11-11, 05:37
What I wouldn't give for a real Sayuri ending...

Korgath
2004-11-11, 12:42
A bit off-topic perhaps, but I don't deem this important enough for a seperate topic.

http://kaitenkenbu77.homestead.com/files/pictures/kanonbest.jpg

It appears that a Playstation 2 Best version will be released for Kanon on 9 December this year. I don't know what the "added functions" this picture talks about is supposed to be, but I can't really find anything about it on Key's site nor Interchannel's. I got it from a Sega promotional poster (dunno what Sega has to do with it though...) from some site in case anyone wonders.

AstCd2
2004-11-11, 17:49
Interesting. Key is going to have to add something we haven't seen before, given that the PS2 version had both the voices and the new CGs.

A マジカル魔法少女佐祐理 scenario, anyone? =P
Seriously, though, "added functions" sound suspiciously interface-based rather than anything storywise.

Haeleth
2004-11-11, 18:04
A マジカル魔法少女佐祐理 scenario, anyone? =P
Don't you mean マジカル☆さゆりん? :p

AstCd2
2004-11-11, 19:24
A マジカル魔法少女佐祐理 scenario, anyone? =P
Don't you mean マジカル☆さゆりん? :p

あははー
その通りですよ♪
佐祐理は、今日も助手の舞ちゃんと世界の平和を守って行きます~って感じ
(※もうわけわからん)

At the risk of propagating further rumours, this reminds me of some of the rampant speculation the first PS2 release was met with, not the least of which was this little piece:

http://www.roflol.net/meow/ps2.jpg

2004-11-11, 19:29
And so Sayuri would be armed with a little stick with a star at the end, helping Mai vanquish the demons? I'll pass........ :P

Oh? New character?

I'll have to think about it......
Largely because I've got a feeling Haeleth-san's not gonna translate PS2 releases due to its complicated coding.

........A script would be appreciated, though :D

2004-11-11, 19:31
EDIT:
SHOULD this version have any new characters, that is

AstCd2
2004-11-11, 19:32
Oh? New character?


Before I get any questions on this, I'd like to clarify that this isn't real =P. Nanase Rumi is a character from One, a game the Key staff made at Tactics before they left to make Kanon.

2004-11-11, 19:45
Ha..... should've read the name more carefully.......

Maybe she was just alittle too demure frail looking for me to associate her with the kendo-wielding version from ONE

Valkyrie
2004-11-12, 03:57
oh my god....she doesn't resemble her original self in ONE.....so....delicate, perhaps? :P

AzureLight
2004-11-12, 04:41
「私・・・ 乙女なんかじゃないよ」って なんだったんだ?

Weave
2004-11-12, 05:51
you almost made by brain explode....
stop that.

zalas
2004-11-12, 15:47
Rofl, her quote is " I'm..... not really a virgin." ?! or something like that haha

AstCd2
2004-11-12, 16:02
Rofl, her quote is " I'm..... not really a virgin." ?! or something like that haha

*whacks zalas*
I'm guessing it's in the context of 'feminine and elegant maiden', which she isn't.

Haeleth
2004-11-12, 16:31
Yup. IIRC in ONE she's actually trying to be feminine (but failing, natch.)

Fumufumu... (pulls out ONE manual)... yup, says here 「永遠に乙女心を追い求める少女、七瀬」. I don't really think it's possible to read that as 乙女==処女... much as zalas' dirty mind may wish to. :p

(Toys briefly with the idea of pasting Kitagawa's head onto Kaori's body and pretending there's going to be a new scenario where... well, you can guess. Decides it would be too much effort for a cheap gag.)

lostotaku
2004-11-14, 07:28
(Toys briefly with the idea of pasting Kitagawa's head onto Kaori's body and pretending there's going to be a new scenario where... well, you can guess. Decides it would be too much effort for a cheap gag.)

Good, because that would definitely make me flinch.

While Rumi Nanase obviously won't be making a cameo with her own ending in the new Kanon, I do have another question. I am told that in the Dreamcast and PS2 versions of Kanon, there is a Sayuri sub plot obtainable after beating Mai's ending. This could be naivette on my part but I'm inclined to believe it anyway, mostly because I want to. Do you think this little sidequest (assuming it exists) will make its way into the new Kanon?

If so, would it be translated?

Haeleth
2004-11-14, 08:22
I am told that in the Dreamcast and PS2 versions of Kanon, there is a Sayuri sub plot obtainable after beating Mai's ending.
There is indeed such a thing - but it's not a console extra, it's in all the versions, right from the 1999 original. As such it will, of course, be translated. ;)

lostotaku
2004-11-14, 09:32
Yatta! You have once again managed to make my life more complete. Sayuri sub-plot should be fun, especially since it looks like I'm going down Mai's ending path. Which does bring me yet another question... do you think the save files will be copy-pastable from the adult version to the DVD? I haven't tried it between the adult and all-age version yet, is there any chance that doing so might corrupt my game?

Haeleth
2004-11-14, 09:43
Which does bring me yet another question... do you think the save files will be copy-pastable from the adult version to the DVD? I haven't tried it between the adult and all-age version yet, is there any chance that doing so might corrupt my game?
Sadly, copying an adult save file to the all-age version, or vice versa, will not work - the saved games will be all be wiped. Similarly, it's extremely unlikely that it will be possible to copy saved games directly from the adult version to the DVD and have them work.

I might get round to writing a convertor, if enough people actually want to swap their saved games from one version to another. But it's not like it'll take that long to fast-forward back to wherever you were...

lostotaku
2004-11-14, 09:52
I might get round to writing a convertor, if enough people actually want to swap their saved games from one version to another. But it's not like it'll take that long to fast-forward back to wherever you were...
True, but it might take a while to go through the entirety of Mai's storyline again to see Sayuri's "storyline." Although I haven't much better to do than to play Kanon anyway. The converter is a novel idea, but probably would be more difficult for the DVD version... and as you said, probably not entirely necessary.

Stranger
2004-12-01, 03:09
sooooo..... anyone got Kanon stander edition yet?!

it makes me wander if the thing was cancelled?!

by the way (tokoro de) are there 2 version of Clannad?!, the key site have 2 of them, even though both point to the same location.

Weave
2004-12-01, 03:41
I plan on buying it this weekend hopefully, my car's broke so I couldn't get it sooner.

Haeleth
2004-12-01, 14:16
sooooo..... anyone got Kanon stander edition yet?!
Waiting for the post. *twiddles thumbs*

by the way (tokoro de) are there 2 version of Clannad?!, the key site have 2 of them, even though both point to the same location.
That's the limited-edition first pressing and the regular edition. AFAIK the only significant differences are the packaging, though there's a few typos in the text that have apparently been fixed in the regular version.

AstCd2
2004-12-01, 18:53
That's the limited-edition first pressing and the regular edition. AFAIK the only significant differences are the packaging, though there's a few typos in the text that have apparently been fixed in the regular version.

In addition, as with Air, the limited edition release of Clannad also came with an arrange music CD. Unfortuantely, neither version came with the CD they put out earlier (Sorarad), which contained the vocal versions of Gensou and Sora ni Hikaru.

Though the regular version has a considerable number of fixes, there are apparently quite a few errors left. Here's a list for those interested:
http://www.geocities.jp/clannad_errors/main/database/database.html

Soulfang
2004-12-01, 19:08
That's the limited-edition first pressing and the regular edition. AFAIK the only significant differences are the packaging, though there's a few typos in the text that have apparently been fixed in the regular version.

In addition, as with Air, the limited edition release of Clannad also came with an arrange music CD. Unfortuantely, neither version came with the CD they put out earlier (Sorarad), which contained the vocal versions of Gensou and Sora ni Hikaru.

Though the regular version has a considerable number of fixes, there are apparently quite a few errors left. Here's a list for those interested:
http://www.geocities.jp/clannad_errors/main/database/database.html
/me bookmarks

And no, the project isn't dead. I'm just sleeping ~_~

Asmadi
2004-12-02, 08:53
Waiting for the post. *twiddles thumbs*

Hmm...well got the game on Monday, nothing special about the packaging, and all it comes with is the normal instruction manual and DVD-ROM, which only looks different in the fact that its a DVD-ROM and says "Standard Edition" under the Kanon title. As for the game, its 710MBs, 10MBs over normal CD capacity, which leads me to believe that they just used a DVD simply because a CD wouldn't fit, unfortunately not to place any new goodies =(

Oh yea, the files are somewhat different...there's something called "RealLive.exe" where the AVG32.exe was supposed to be =)

Might explain the tiny increase in size, ne?

Haeleth
2004-12-02, 11:04
Oho, it's RealLive, is it? Damn, that's going to complicate matters a bit - I'll have to redo all my new code. Fortunately a lot of it was working round problems in AVG32 that don't exist in RealLive, so it won't be as bad as you might think...

Asmadi
2004-12-02, 14:01
Well we can't wait to see you work your magic =)

The one thing I really notice while playing though is that the transitions are much smoother and the effects are different, its quite nice.

K
2004-12-02, 14:18
Does it have a minimal install option like Clannad does?

Soulfang
2004-12-02, 14:41
Does it have a minimal install option like Clannad does?
Yeah, if I remember correctly there was an option in Kanon SE when I was installing that was like 10MB and only stored system and save data. Handy!

K
2004-12-02, 14:51
Schweet. I just might get it ^_^

Soulfang
2004-12-02, 14:59
Haeleth -

I tried to rip Kanon SE's text with RLdev, and it gave this error:

Error: expected 0x5c[14-1e] in get_assignment near 0x001fbc.

Since I have no idea about anything on the technical aspect of RealLive, could Kanon use some different instructions or something? If you'd like, I could send you a copy of the game's SEEN.TXT.

Also, the text does dump when just using uncompressed, so I guess it is a problem with the decompiler.

Haeleth
2004-12-02, 15:47
Sounds like it just uses some syntax I haven't seen before. Not unexpected - I don't think I've had a clean decompile the first time I've tried it on any game. Should be simple enough to fix, anyway.

I may ask for a copy of the file if my copy takes much longer to arrive, but it shouldn't be necessary...

K
2004-12-03, 13:34
Sudden thought... is the voice patch likely to work with the DVD version? And if not, can it be edited to?

Haeleth
2004-12-03, 13:55
is the voice patch likely to work with the DVD version?
It's not even worth trying. The answer is certain to be "no".

And if not, can it be edited to?
Yes, in theory, though it might take a while in practice. If nobody in Japan has got round to it by the time I'm ready to support the Standard Edition in my translation, I'll do it myself.

lostotaku
2004-12-05, 14:56
Since the voices were only for all age versions... and because DVD is well, DVD... I can't see how it could possibly work. I probably won't even bother buying it until I've seen if I can secure a voice patch, it may be cheap but money is money.

Haeleth
2004-12-05, 15:11
It is possible to use the voice patch with an adult version - everything just goes quiet in the adult scenes.

The real issue is that the game has been rewritten for a different platform, so the patch will have to be rewritten as well. It's not a difficult problem to solve, and a voice patch will certainly be available at some point - just not yet.

zalas
2004-12-30, 10:54
Hooo....
http://61.199.33.219/info/visual/key/kanon_se_n/
For all you nonecchi people out there... *crickets*
(No this is not voiced either)

Soulfang
2004-12-30, 11:30
Hooo....
http://61.199.33.219/info/visual/key/kanon_se_n/
For all you nonecchi people out there... *crickets*
(No this is not voiced either)
Interesting...

K
2004-12-30, 12:22
That box art looks tasty.

Misu
2004-12-30, 13:36
with the big red letter saying sample, its possible the box art are will be different... but if not, yummy!

Soulfang
2004-12-30, 14:34
with the big red letter saying sample, its possible the box art are will be different... but if not, yummy!
Actually, I think that's more of a ploy to keep people from copying that boxart, 'cause the CG have it too, and we know those aren't gonna be changed...

Stranger
2004-12-31, 00:51
just wandering what that is?!!!... I thought that Kanon- Standard Edition was released last month?!!!... or was that a different thing?! and I was under the impration that it will not have any extra CGs, only the CGs for the All Ages version added in (haven't seen any of the All ages extra CGs, and was going to get it for the extra Nayuki CGs once Haeleth supports it).

so what is this thing that is coming next month?!

Haeleth
2004-12-31, 02:23
just wandering what that is?!
That's "Kanon -Standard Edition- for all ages". Looks like it'll just be the adult version with the adult CGs taken out again - so the only advantages over the normal all-age version will be the halved price, the bug fixes, and the more modern engine.

Slipgate
2004-12-31, 18:09
Are those CGs they have screenshots of really new additions to the game CGs in use then? Seems unlikely they'd draw them up, and at such high quality, just for sample shots on a page like that. And are they then in the standard edition that's already out too?

Slipgate

AstCd2
2004-12-31, 21:56
The CGs on the page are the same ones they added in place of the HCGs back when the original all ages version was released, so they aren't really 'new' in that sense.

Yes, they're in the standard (adult) version too.

Slipgate
2005-01-01, 05:39
Hey... thank you for that info! Now I know where they're from and the context of them... but I have a question... how are they in the existing standard edition if the H CGs are in use? Are they pushed in just before it goes to the H scene?

Slipgate

AstCd2
2005-01-01, 07:22
Oh, I didn't mean 'in place' of them literally =P.
The additional CGs belong to scenes which originally had no CG, so there's no need for any rewriting when both sets are used.

AstCd2
2005-01-30, 23:44
Just a minor update on the Kanon Standard Edition (All Ages Version).

1. It came out yesterday.
2. It comes with a limited edition Ayu trading card.

http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/product/kanon/indexallse.htm

Keisuke
2005-01-30, 23:55
I have no problem against the DVD versions, but it really is hard for me to believe that the games are now 6,000円 cheaper than the previous CD versions...

*Waits for the AIR DVD version*

JudicatorOmega
2005-02-01, 08:36
Dang... How can I even choose between the Adult version and the All-ages version?? If I get the adult version, I get the whole and complete game with everything included, which is good. But if I get the All-Ages version, I get a very much better box art, an Ayu trading card, and I won't have to worry about showing it to someone who might get offended by the adult content.

gp32
2005-02-01, 09:25
Both! BOTH! Gord demands it ...

... err, never mind ...